Aragorn/Arwen vs. Anakin/Padme

Originally posted by WindDancer
See I was thinking on what Qui Gon had said that "nothing happens by chance". Padme met Anakin in Tattoine, and in episode II their relationship grew. When I said destiny I was thinking on the lines of Qui Gon analogy of the events that led them arrive in Tattoine. For me destiny played a big part on for Anakin and Padme.

Yeh, I think that's the angle that George Lucas is taking with it too, the whole star crossed lovers thing but I was just sort of thinking out loud about that thing with the prophesy, it isn't specific so if they'd done it from a different angle they could have had him go bad and be redeemed another way, do you know what I mean? It mightn't have had to be about a girl if they perhaps had Anakin being trained but being rejected by the other jedi and feeling really isolated and then with his mother dying have him decide to get his revenge and go bad but Obi Wan manages to save him. You know what I mean, just gone at it from way? Obviously certain things from the orignal triology have to be taken it to account but I'm just sorta thinking about alternative ways they could have done it. I think you're right though, it terms of the way George Lucas has portrayed it in the film it is meant to be a 'destiny' type thing.

Originally posted by WindDancer
See I was thinking on what Qui Gon had said that "nothing happens by chance". Padme met Anakin in Tattoine, and in episode II their relationship grew. When I said destiny I was thinking on the lines of Qui Gon analogy of the events that led them arrive in Tattoine. For me destiny played a big part on for Anakin and Padme.

I like that angle to it also, the fact that fate or destiny bought them together. Her ship was destined to land on Tatooine and that fact that Qui-Gon chose Watto's shop.

Originally posted by Princess_Leia
..I think it's different for an actor, like you'd actually know that person, see them face to face so it'd be different than just seeing them in a film and thinking they're good-looking and wanting to kiss them. It'd probably feel strange but I don't really think she has anything to complain about. It was only one kiss after all.

..I think it'd probably have added more depth to the relationship by the sounds of it though. I think it just goes from A to C in the film, you know? It's so determined to prove that the relationship works and makes sense but it doesn't present you with the evident to show it, if you get what I mean.

..It had a picture of her and was making reference to her very bushy eyebrows which before now I hadn't really noticed but in this particular picture they were VERY bushy. Girl needs a plucker! Anyway, just a funny little thing I read and thought I'd share with you as I know you're a Natalie fan too. Also, I read another article suggesting she and Jude Law had a thing going on. He's got a girlfriend though so I doubt it's true. Do you know if it's true she dated Hayden? Cause I've read that before but I don't know if it's true.
Anyway, sorry to get off topic there!

Perhaps, yeah, I get what you mean and why it might have been difficult. Still, shouldn't have been a huge deal.

They're nothing special, just nice scenes, a stage in their romance rather than going from her scolding him to them sharing their first kiss.

Haven't seen it, no. Bushy eyebrows?? Does she?? Ohh...no-one's perfect I guess. I read about her new buddie Jude, don't know though. The thing with her & Hayden seemed to just go with the film, they deny though so, I'm not sure.

That's fine. 😊

Originally posted by Lyn
Perhaps, yeah, I get what you mean and why it might have been difficult. Still, shouldn't have been a huge deal.

They're nothing special, just nice scenes, a stage in their romance rather than going from her scolding him to them sharing their first kiss.

Haven't seen it, no. Bushy eyebrows?? Does she?? Ohh...no-one's perfect I guess. I read about her new buddie Jude, don't know though. The thing with her & Hayden seemed to just go with the film, they deny though so, I'm not sure.

That's fine. 😊

if it was a big sex scene I'd understand her being really uncomfortable but it was only a kiss afterall.

I'm looking forward to watching the extra scenes. Her outfit in those scenes are lovely as I've seen pictures.

I was a bit surprised about the eyebrow thing as I've never noticed it before but she probably just left it too long before plucking. It had a close up of her face and they were quite big and I'd seen that picture before but a farther away one so you wouldn't notice it in that one. Anyway I just thought it was kinda funny. You don't usually get much about Natalie in the press so I thought it was amusing that the little bit you do get is about her eyebrows!

I doubt there's anything going on between her and Jude Law as he has a girlfriend and has just split from his wife a while back. I'd say they're just friends but you know the media.

Yeh, I never really believed the thing with her and Hayden but then I vaguely remembered reading an interview and they asked her about it and she said something like ''I don't want to talk about that relationship'' or something, something that made me think, oh maybe it is true. I can't remember it now so I'm not sure but apart from that I always got the impression they were just friends, which I'm pretty sure they are.

Originally posted by Princess_Leia
I'm looking forward to watching the extra scenes. Her outfit in those scenes are lovely as I've seen pictures.

...Anyway I just thought it was kinda funny. You don't usually get much about Natalie in the press so I thought it was amusing that the little bit you do get is about her eyebrows!

I doubt there's anything going on between her and Jude Law as he has a girlfriend and has just split from his wife a while back. I'd say they're just friends but you know the media.

Yeh, I never really believed the thing with her and Hayden but then I vaguely remembered reading an interview and they asked her about it and she said something like ''I don't want to talk about that relationship'' or something, something that made me think, oh maybe it is true. I can't remember it now so I'm not sure but apart from that I always got the impression they were just friends, which I'm pretty sure they are.

Her dress is gorgeous in those scenes but I really, really love her hair.

Kind of ironic...and you're right, there isn't a great deal about her in the press.

They'd just be trying to vamp it up. They're also saying that Julia Roberts' marriage is on the rocks because she spent some time with Jude Law. They are all working together on Nat's new film; Closer.

I thought it would've just been cute if they had been a couple but I don't think they were. Just good friends that didn't want it to be blown out of proportion.

Originally posted by Lyn
I like that angle to it also, the fact that fate or destiny bought them together. Her ship was destined to land on Tatooine and that fact that Qui-Gon chose Watto's shop.

I think that we can say that Qui-Gon is a Jedi matchmaker 😉
Anyways, for me it is destiny and the choices that Qui-Gon made that help Padme meet Anakin. I wonder how change will Anakin be in Episode III? I got a feeling that the sweet little boy from Tatooine will commit some very devasting things. If Padme dies I hope she doesn't get to see that evil of Anakin unfold. It will really crush her, and she might have a sad ending.

I agree. Qui-Gon created Luke & Leia...good on him!! 😛 😉

I think he will have changed quite dramatically, he has been at war and everything. You're right, it would be terrible for Padme to have to watch her husband fall. God, this movie is gonna be sad...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lyn
[B]I agree. Qui-Gon created Luke & Leia...good on him!! 😛 😉

um.....ok that just gives me scary mental images of pregnant Qui Gon. Anyway, not sure we can really give all the credit to Qui Gon as he didn't exactly do it on purpose, like he was always going on about 'the here and the now' so it's not like he had any clue what was gonna happen. It was sort of a fluke or maybe it was the will of the force or whatever but it's not like he actually knew what he was doing at the time, all he knew was Anakin was the Chosen One.Obi and Yoda and Mace and the others actually did as they could sense the danger around Anakin, maybe they didn't know the exact details but they knew something was up. Obviously everything eventually works out but only after a hell of a lot of trouble and pain for everyone so I tend to give more credit to Obi. Qui Gon just started it off and then kicked the bucket leaving him to deal with all the mess. He was the one who hide Luke and Leia and watched over Luke and set him on the path to his destiny and sacrificed himself for them and everyone else so Luke could have a chance to face Vader so for me personally I give Obi the credit rather than Qui Gon.

It wasn't a matter mf giving Qui-Gon the credit for everything, not my intention at all. In fact I agree with you, Obi-Wan does much more for The ENTIRE Skywalker family.
I just said that it was Qui-Gon's choice to visit Watto's Shop that led to their meeting.

Originally posted by Lyn
It wasn't a matter mf giving Qui-Gon the credit for everything, not my intention at all. In fact I agree with you, Obi-Wan does much more for The ENTIRE Skywalker family.
I just said that it was Qui-Gon's choice to visit Watto's Shop that led to their meeting.

Oh ok, just cause you said Qui Gon created Luke and Leia. I know you were joking about it but I thought that's what you meant cause a lot of people say isn't Qui Gon great yada yada yet lay into Obi which I think is unfair cause as you said he does a lot for the whole family.

That was very humorous what you said about Qui-Gon creating Leia and Luke 😛

That is also true, and I missed that pov as well. Obi also deserves credit for re-uniting Leia and Luke in Episode IV. Plus it is Qui-Gon dying request that Anakin should be trained by Obi. What I always have ask myself since I saw Episode I is, what if Qui-Gon would have train Luke? What if Qui-Gon didn't die and he was the one elected to train Anakin instead of Obi. Could the training of Qui-Gon might had an effect of Anakin's destiny?

So yes! Obi also deserves plenty of recognitions as well. ✅

Thanx. 😆

That is a big "what if?" but I don't believe Obi-Wan did anything wrong, Anakin was destined to go off the rails, remember??

Go Obi; you ROCK!!

Originally posted by Lyn
Thanx. 😆

That is a big "what if?" but I don't believe Obi-Wan did anything wrong, Anakin was [B]destined to go off the rails, remember??

Go Obi; you ROCK!! [/B]

Couldn't have put it better. In a story all about destiny it does seem Anakin was meant to go evil. Qui Gon's padawan before Obi Wan went evil too, Yoda trained Count Dooku and he went evil so it's not like it's the master's fault all the time. Obi Wan did his best but in the end no one could have saved Anakin til he was meant to be saved, by Luke.

I find it really unfair when people do blame Obi because at the end of the day it was Anakin's choice, no matter what anyone's done to you you still have the choice between good and evil and Anakin chose evil.

Obi was the one who had to clean up everyone else's mess so as you said Go Obi!! you da man!!!

It is all about destiny...Obi-Wan was destined to be paired with Anakin, but that doesn't mean he failed as a Master. And you're exactly right, it was Anakin's choice in the end. Not even his own wife could stop his fall from the light but that doesn't mean she failed as a wife. Come to think of it, the prequels are all about Anakin and his tragic life but it also shows the tragedies suffered by those close to him; namely, Obi-Wan & Padme.

Originally posted by Lyn
It is all about destiny...Obi-Wan was destined to be paired with Anakin, but that doesn't mean he failed as a Master. And you're exactly right, it was Anakin's choice in the end. Not even his own wife could stop his fall from the light but that doesn't mean she failed as a wife. Come to think of it, the prequels are all about Anakin and his tragic life but it also shows the tragedies suffered by those close to him; namely, Obi-Wan & Padme.

I agree. I annoys me when people try to place the blame on Obi Wan as if Anakin had no choice in the matter and what's the reason? oh he was mean to him, he gave out to him in front of Padme, he called him 'his young apprentice'. And the problem is.....? Obi Wan never did anything wrong to him, it's not like he abused him, he took care of him and trained him when the council didn't want to but according to some people because he gave out to him a bit that gives Anakin the right to go kill millions of people.

Sorry going off on a bit of a tangent there but it just really bugs me when people try to say it wasn't Anakin's fault or Obi Wan made him evil. As you said, Anakin had the choice and Anakin did all the horrible things. No one forced him, even Palpatine can't shoulder all the blame as Anakin choose to believe him. It's a film all about that really, choice and destiny.

Exactly. Choice and destiny. Wonderfully worded, Leia. 👆 😊
Don't be sorry, you're right. ((And have you seen how I ramble??))

Obi-Wan didn't do anything wrong, he merely did his duty as a Master. Even Padme says it, "Master's have a way of seeing more of our faults than we would like...it's the only way we grow."
That's what Obi-Wan was doing, teaching him, guiding him, punishing him when necessary. Nothing excuses what Anakin did, what he became but it's certainly not Obi-Wan's fault.

I'm BACK!!! wow it's been a while...

so, i think i would have to say Anakin and padme. While Arwen and Aragorn is a good couple, don't get me wrong, but i think that Anakin and Padme are more of the forbidden romance makes the heart grow fonder love. (if that makes sense) Anakin and Padme are more or less told they cannot love, much less each other (Anakin more than Padme) so the drama and the intensity of their passion becomes more and more of a hindrance before they allow themselves to love. Anywho, thats my two cents...and here's two more (Padme's hot 😍 )

Hey...WELCOME BACK BUDDIE!! Long time, no see!! How ya been??

alright...not as good as when i had my daily dose of Natalie pictures...( 😍 ) but i'm doing well nonetheless...how is everyone?

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Well I was devastated when I ran out of pictures of Nat & Hayden...
I'm alright, haven't seen Hypernova here for AGES...