Originally posted by Princess_Leia
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mahoganywoman
[B]Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman absolutly have no on screen chemistry whatsoever. [QUOTE][i]I have to agree there, Natalie in particular seemed very uncomfortable.
[QUOTE][i]Episode two had to be the lamest show of a love story that I have ever seen between two actors. George Lucas definitly should of had Obi-Wan's character lead this movie instead of the love story between Padme and Annikan because it was dry and the majority of the Star Wars fans that I know agree that it was down right corny to hear them express their love for each other. [QUOTE][i]
I agree, they should of had Obi Wan lead the movie because he's really the strongest and most interesting character, well for me anyway. I think for me I found it strange that Anakin spend the whole time saying cheesy chat-up lines and acting like a stalker and Padme was just so dis-interested in the whole thing that in made no sense when she decided to marry him. You're just left asking Why? To be honest I'd be quite interested to see Padme get together with Obi Wan. I know that she'd have to be with Anakin to have the twins but I'd like to see her realising Anakin isn't who she thought he was and developing a friendship with Obi and they could have feelings for each other but not act on them out of respect for Anakin but Palpatine makes Anakin believe they're actually having an affair and that's how Obi and he fall out and splits him and Padme. I don't think they'll do this as they have this whole Padme/Anakin as 'star-crossed lovers' thing but yeh, personally I'd quite like to see something like that, oh well, a gal can dream!
But basically, I agree with pretty much everything you said.
The lamest part of the love story was expressed during the battle scene on Geonosis when Padme expressed her love for Annikan. Natalie sounded so dry in reciting that poem. As if she was forced to do it. Then that rediculous kiss she gave Annikan when she jumped on the back of the creature was just laughable. And I hope that they do a better job of handling it better in EP3
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
Thanks SilverFighter, I'm glad you like the thread. It's all about the lurve!!!
I have to disagree with you that A/P has the most challenges, I think A/A have to overcome a lot more. I mean obviously A/P don't have the simplest relationship but they don't know at the time that Anakin will turn evil, sure they have to hide their marriage and they split up or whatever happens but compare that to having to give up your immortality and family to be with the one you love and having to go and fight against the Dark Lord and lead the army and regain the throne and all the other things Aragorn has to do. Just because A/A have a happy ending doesn't mean it was less challenging for them or they had less obstacles to overcome. Yes A/P was forbidden but Anakin could leave the Order if he wanted whereas Arwen had to give up her immortality so I think that's a hell of lot more to have to give up. For me personally, A/A will always be THE love story, I like the idea of A/P but i just think they haven't executed it as well as they could have which is a pity cause it is a good story. Though I am really looking forward to ep3 to see how it all goes!!! I think for SW i'll always love Han/Leia the most though, they are just so cool together!!!
Now that you put it that way I think you are right. Arwen does give up her immortality for Aragorn which is the ultimate sacrifice (I think) for her. Then again we still don't know what Padme might sacrife for her love of Anakin. So is still a toss up 😉
Originally posted by WindDancer
Now that you put it that way I think you are right. Arwen does give up her immortality for Aragorn which is the ultimate sacrifice (I think) for her. Then again we still don't know what Padme might sacrife for her love of Anakin. So is still a toss up 😉
i personally don't think anything Padme could give up for Anakin could ever compare to what Arwen gave up for Aragorn. What is there that she could sacrifice? her career? ok she loves her career but love is more important so she'd get over it. I think if Padme ends up sacrificing anything, say her life, it'll be for Luke and Leia. To protect them. As I said their relationship may be forbidden but Anakin could just give up the order to be with her. It's not a completely impossible situation. He could still be a jedi and have power (which is the thing he really wants) but wouldn't have to follow the rules so I don't think it'd bother him all that much if you think about it. Sure they might have to sacrifice a few things but it really isn't an impossible situation.
Arwen on the other hand not just gave her life, but an immortal life. She gave up the chance to ever see her mother again and be parted from her brothers and father forever because she loved Aragorn so much. She died a mortal death just so they could always be together so I don't think even if Padme gave up her life for whatever reason it wouldn't be the same as she wasn't going to live forever anyway and she'd see her family in the afterlife.
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
i personally don't think anything Padme could give up for Anakin could ever compare to what Arwen gave up for Aragorn. What is there that she could sacrifice? her career? ok she loves her career but love is more important so she'd get over it. I think if Padme ends up sacrificing anything, say her life, it'll be for Luke and Leia. To protect them. As I said their relationship may be forbidden but Anakin could just give up the order to be with her. It's not a completely impossible situation. He could still be a jedi and have power (which is the thing he really wants) but wouldn't have to follow the rules so I don't think it'd bother him all that much if you think about it. Sure they might have to sacrifice a few things but it really isn't an impossible situation.Arwen on the other hand not just gave her life, but an immortal life. She gave up the chance to ever see her mother again and be parted from her brothers and father forever because she loved Aragorn so much. She died a mortal death just so they could always be together so I don't think even if Padme gave up her life for whatever reason it wouldn't be the same as she wasn't going to live forever anyway and she'd see her family in the afterlife.
Those are also very good points Princess Leia. I've look at the earlier posts in this thread, and I notice some of you were saying that there was no chemistry between Natalie and Hayden. Yes I feel the same the way, but for the purpose of this thread I'm sticking to the idea of the characters rather than the actors. Your point of Padme sacrificin herself for Luke and Leia is very true and veryposible, and I think it also would also apply to Arwen if she was in that situation.
I think that what makes the love between A/P very interesting is that both met each other in their youth. Of course Padme is much more older, but somehow Anakin personality grew in Padme until it became love. Another reason why I find it more interesting is the posibility of the end in the relationship. What will happen to Padme when she sees that Anakin has join the dark side? Don't you think she will die with the pain of seeing her love become something she despises the most? It would just make her a martyr to see that her true love has now become evil. But that is "if" she sees Anakin join the dark side.
Originally posted by WindDancer
Those are also very good points Princess Leia. I've look at the earlier posts in this thread, and I notice some of you were saying that there was no chemistry between Natalie and Hayden. Yes I feel the same the way, but for the purpose of this thread I'm sticking to the idea of the characters rather than the actors. Your point of Padme sacrificin herself for Luke and Leia is very true and veryposible, and I think it also would also apply to Arwen if she was in that situation.I think that what makes the love between A/P very interesting is that both met each other in their youth. Of course Padme is much more older, but somehow Anakin personality grew in Padme until it became love. Another reason why I find it more interesting is the posibility of the end in the relationship. What will happen to Padme when she sees that Anakin has join the dark side? Don't you think she will die with the pain of seeing her love become something she despises the most? It would just make her a martyr to see that her true love has now become evil. But that is "if" she sees Anakin join the dark side.
I think it's a pity how A/P was handled as it is a good story if it had of been told right. I think it's a combination of bad writing, bad direction and bad acting. I think Natalie Portman, from what's she's said before, finds 'love scenes' very uncomfortable and it showed alot.
Do you mean that Arwen would also sacrifice herself for her children?
I do think A/P is an interesting story, but it's more the idea of it then what you actually get in the film. Like on paper it's a good idea and makes sense but on screen there's a lot of problems. It is interesting to find out what happens at the end of their relationship but I'd find I'd care more if I really believed in their love. We're told they're in love but I know I wasn't the only one who came out of ep2 asking 'so....why did she marry him again?'. It was just 'no, we can't do this' then bam! 'I do!'. I just wasn't convinced by them. I watch LOTR's and look at Arwen and Aragorn and I think 'now that's love!'.
I do think their story is sad, I'm not saying it isn't but I just don't think it compares to what Aragorn and Arwen go through for each other. Sure it will be sad for Padme to see Anakin go evil but I think it's sadder the fact that Arwen gives up her family for Aragorn and he works for years and goes through hell and back just to be with her. Sure they have a happy ending but they sacrifice a lot for each other.
I do feel sorry for Padme as I know she'll go through a lot but I just think Arwen and Aragorn are THE ultimate love story, their story is happy in the end but only after years of being apart, not knowing if they'll ever be together. It's a happy ending but tinged with sadness.
Well...I watched Fellowship yesterday and also Menace. Both, ironically, are the first of their series and show the "beginning" to both relationships.
I enjoyed all the scenes that Arwen and Aragorn shared ((though there are not enough for my liking!)) especially their scene together on the bridge. They both look so beautiful together...Liv and Viggo work very well off each other. I think if I'd just seen a picture of the two of them in real life and had been told of their romantic involvement in the film as Arwen and Aragorn I would not have thought it possible. Both actors do an exceptional job in pulling it off.
Though Jake and Natalie's scenes are not incredibly romantic, we still see how their love began; as a close friendship. That little exchange made the newer scenes acceptable. Though many may believe I am biased ((which I prolly am...lol)) I admit that the scenes between Anakin and Padmé are poorly scripted at times and that Natalie and Hayden do not seem to be very enthusiastic. But that's not their fault, they HAVE to read those lines. That doesn't mean they don't share any chemistry, in fact, I found them to be a very believable couple, as I did Arwen and Aragorn.
Here I am, repeating myself again, boring the pants off everyone. I just find both relationships VERY enjoyable.
Originally posted by Lyn
Well...I watched Fellowship yesterday and also Menace. Both, ironically, are the first of their series and show the "beginning" to both relationships.I enjoyed all the scenes that Arwen and Aragorn shared ((though there are not enough for my liking!)) especially their scene together on the bridge. They both look so beautiful together...Liv and Viggo work very well off each other. I think if I'd just seen a picture of the two of them in real life and had been told of their romantic involvement in the film as Arwen and Aragorn I would not have thought it possible. Both actors do an exceptional job in pulling it off.
Though Jake and Natalie's scenes are not incredibly romantic, we still see how their love began; as a close friendship. That little exchange made the newer scenes acceptable. Though many may believe I am biased ((which I prolly am...lol)) I admit that the scenes between Anakin and Padmé are poorly scripted at times and that Natalie and Hayden do not seem to be very enthusiastic. But that's not their fault, they HAVE to read those lines. That doesn't mean they don't share any chemistry, in fact, I found them to be a very believable couple, as I did Arwen and Aragorn.
Here I am, repeating myself again, boring the pants off everyone. I just find both relationships VERY enjoyable.
Well as you've probably guessed I agree with what you've said of A/A but what exactly did you mean by you didn't think it'd be possible if you'd only saw a picture? You didn't think they'd be as good as they were?
I actually think Padme and Anakin's scenes in ep1 were a lot better than in ep2 even though I found Jake Lloyd annoying. I think the idea of the story does make sense it's just the way it was done makes it seem unbelieveable. Obviously the lines were a big part of its downfall but I still think if there was chemistry it would have come through anyway. Hayden I think tried to do his best with it but and as much as I like Natalie I think she was very wooden. I think that's probably because she isn't comfortable doing love scenes. She's said before that being told to kiss someone makes her feel like a whore and as well I don't think Star Wars is really her thing. Ewan and Hayden seem to love it but I don't think it's the type of film she's into so it might of been hard for her to be entusiatic about it.
Again, I think A/P could have been really good but it was poorly done which is a pity.
Originally posted by Lyn
Well...I watched Fellowship yesterday and also Menace. Both, ironically, are the first of their series and show the "beginning" to both relationships.I enjoyed all the scenes that Arwen and Aragorn shared ((though there are not enough for my liking!)) especially their scene together on the bridge. They both look so beautiful together...Liv and Viggo work very well off each other. I think if I'd just seen a picture of the two of them in real life and had been told of their romantic involvement in the film as Arwen and Aragorn I would not have thought it possible. Both actors do an exceptional job in pulling it off.
Though Jake and Natalie's scenes are not incredibly romantic, we still see how their love began; as a close friendship. That little exchange made the newer scenes acceptable. Though many may believe I am biased ((which I prolly am...lol)) I admit that the scenes between Anakin and Padmé are poorly scripted at times and that Natalie and Hayden do not seem to be very enthusiastic. But that's not their fault, they HAVE to read those lines. That doesn't mean they don't share any chemistry, in fact, I found them to be a very believable couple, as I did Arwen and Aragorn.
Here I am, repeating myself again, boring the pants off everyone. I just find both relationships VERY enjoyable.
Well as you've probably guessed I agree with what you've said of A/A but what exactly did you mean by you didn't think it'd be possible if you'd only saw a picture? You didn't think they'd be as good as they were?
I actually think Padme and Anakin's scenes in ep1 were a lot better than in ep2 even though I found Jake Lloyd annoying. I think the idea of the story does make sense it's just the way it was done makes it seem unbelievable. Obviously the lines were a big part of its downfall but I still think if there was chemistry it would have come through anyway. Hayden I think tried to do his best with it but and as much as I like Natalie I think she was very wooden. I think that's probably because she isn't comfortable doing love scenes. She's said before that being told to kiss someone makes her feel like a whore and as well I don't think Star Wars is really her thing. Ewan and Hayden seem to love it but I don't think it's the type of film she's into so it might of been hard for her to be enthusiastic about it.
Again, I do think A/P could have been really good but it was done poorly which is a pity.
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
I do feel sorry for Padme as I know she'll go through a lot but I just think Arwen and Aragorn are THE ultimate love story, their story is happy in the end but only after years of being apart, not knowing if they'll ever be together. It's a happy ending but tinged with sadness.
I understand what you trying to say, and I agree with the A/A is better than A/P. But now let me ask you this. Do you think that both A/A is A/P romances are destine? Or did they meet by chance? Let me put it this way. Both couples met in their youth. Do you think that it was destiny that brought A/A together? Is certainly true for A/P it was prophecy ages ago that there will "one" individual that will bring order to the force (which is Luke and he is the product of A/P).
Now of course Aragorn is destine to be king. But is Arwen consider his destine love? Do you think that destiny brought them together? I personaly think that destiny play a big part for A/P. Was destiny a big part for A/A.
I'm not being negative about A/A romance (I really think they are an awesome couple), but I always wonder if destiny can be atributed for them to fall in love.
Originally posted by WindDancer
I understand what you trying to say, and I agree with the A/A is better than A/P. But now let me ask you this. Do you think that both A/A is A/P romances are destine? Or did they meet by chance? Let me put it this way. Both couples met in their youth. Do you think that it was destiny that brought A/A together? Is certainly true for A/P it was prophecy ages ago that there will "one" individual that will bring order to the force (which is Luke and he is the product of A/P).Now of course Aragorn is destine to be king. But is Arwen consider his destine love? Do you think that destiny brought them together? I personaly think that destiny play a big part for A/P. Was destiny a big part for A/A.
I'm not being negative about A/A romance (I really think they are an awesome couple), but I always wonder if destiny can be atributed for them to fall in love.
Is is destiny that brought Anakin and Padme together? I know there was a prohecy but that was just about Anakin bringing balance. It never says anything about how he will do it. Anakin could have fallen to the darkside and be brought back my his mother if she hadn't died or Obi Wan, like if the situations had been different, you know what I mean? Obviously we'll never know but it was never specific so anything could have happened given whatever events were happening at the time.
Arwen and Aragorn were destined because when they first met in Rivendell Aragorn called her Luthien like her ancestor who also gave up her immortality for a mortal and she replied ''I am not her but my fate may not be unlike hers'' or something to that effect so obviously she knew, or had an idea of what the future would bring though she didn't know it would be with him at that time. Then they fell in love and the rest is history.
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
Is it destiny that brought Anakin and Padme together? I know there was a prohecy but that was just about Anakin bringing balance. It never says anything about how he will do it. Anakin could have fallen to the darkside and be brought back my his mother if she hadn't died or Obi Wan, like if the situations had been different, you know what I mean? Obviously we'll never know but it was never specific so anything could have happened given whatever events were happening at the time.Arwen and Aragorn were destined because when they first met in Rivendell Aragorn called her Luthien like her ancestor who also gave up her immortality for a mortal and she replied ''I am not her but my fate may not be unlike hers'' or something to that effect so obviously she knew, or had an idea of what the future would bring though she didn't know it would be with him at that time. Then they fell in love and the rest is history.
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
...what exactly did you mean by you didn't think it'd be possible if you'd only saw a picture? You didn't think they'd be as good as they were?...Hayden I think tried to do his best with it but and as much as I like Natalie I think she was very wooden. I think that's probably because she isn't comfortable doing love scenes. She's said before that being told to kiss someone makes her feel like a whore and as well I don't think Star Wars is really her thing. Ewan and Hayden seem to love it but I don't think it's the type of film she's into so it might of been hard for her to be enthusiastic about it.
Again, I do think A/P could have been really good but it was done poorly which is a pity.
I meant if I'd just seen a picture of Viggo ((normally)) and one of Liv I would not have been able to envision them being in love. They pulled it off brilliantly.
I read something about that; her feeling umcomfortable about being told to kiss someone, I mean, Hayden is her friend. It would feel strange. And yeah, she does seem wooden at times though I believe that'd be more GL than Nat. Like, he would tell her how to act the scene out. He may have said something about how she's a strong woman and wouldn't let her emotions show often. How are you supposed to convey love and reluctance in a romantic scene...get me??
It could have been done better, I agree.
Originally posted by Lyn
I meant if I'd just seen a picture of Viggo ((normally)) and one of Liv I would not have been able to envision them being in love. They pulled it off brilliantly.I read something about that; her feeling umcomfortable about being told to kiss someone, I mean, Hayden is her friend. It would feel strange. And yeah, she does seem wooden at times though I believe that'd be more GL than Nat. Like, he would tell her how to act the scene out. He may have said something about how she's a strong woman and wouldn't let her emotions show often. How are you supposed to convey love and reluctance in a romantic scene...get me??
It could have been done better, I agree.
Oh ok, I get what you were saying about the picture thing now. I guess I see what you mean though I look at her husband and wouldn't have paired them up beforehand if it didn't know they were married as well so i guess you never know.
I've noticed when people are defending A/P they say that Padme wouldn't show her emotions so that's why she didn't seem interested but that's not what I mean. I understand why she would act like that but that isn't the way it comes across. Sure she's saying ''no we can't give in no matter how we feel'' but you don't get the impression she's too bothered at all. Anakin's feeling you can see but with her she just doesn't seem interested and not in a playing hard to get or trying to deny type way, if that's the way it came across then I'd understand but it doesn't. I think on paper it makes sense but the way they've done it on screen doesn't make it as believeable in the sense that you're not sure why they're together in the end. It tells us oh they're in love and soul mates and whatever but the scenes we're given don't really add up to the ending if you get what I mean. It's not so much the idea of them, just the way it was done makes it seem unbelievable. I do think it could have been done better and it's a pity it wasn't cause it could have been really great if it'd been done right.
I understand what you're saying about it being awkward but she's an actress. That's her job. Plenty of other actors kiss and do lots more very convincingly so why can't she? I don't mean to sound harsh but it can't be easy for other actors/actresses who are married or in a long term relationship to do personal things on screen but they pull it off. I'm not sure weather she had a boyfriend at the time but it was like, one kiss. It'll hardly kill her even if it does make her uncomfortable, (though I do understand that).
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
...I've noticed when people are defending A/P they say that Padme wouldn't show her emotions so that's why she didn't seem interested but that's not what I mean. I understand why she would act like that but that isn't the way it comes across. Sure she's saying ''no we can't give in no matter how we feel'' but you don't get the impression she's too bothered at all. Anakin's feeling you can see but with her she just doesn't seem interested and not in a playing hard to get or trying to deny type way, if that's the way it came across then I'd understand but it doesn't. I think on paper it makes sense but the way they've done it on screen doesn't make it as believeable in the sense that you're not sure why they're together in the end. It tells us oh they're in love and soul mates and whatever but the scenes we're given don't really add up to the ending if you get what I mean. It's not so much the idea of them, just the way it was done makes it seem unbelievable. I do think it could have been done better and it's a pity it wasn't cause it could have been really great if it'd been done right.
I do get where you're coming from, she does seem slightly wooden at times. I watched Clones yesterday. Actually, their scenes aren't that bad, it's just at times the lines are poor and others, the acting is not exactly how I'd pictured it. But it still isn't terrible. And I do understand why you wonder about their marriage. It does seem rushed. I think that is due to the fact that the scenes at the Naberrie house were cut. That ruined everything. They should have never been deleted.
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
I understand what you're saying about it being awkward but she's an actress. That's her job. Plenty of other actors kiss and do lots more very convincingly so why can't she? I don't mean to sound harsh but it can't be easy for other actors/actresses who are married or in a long term relationship to do personal things on screen but they pull it off. I'm not sure weather she had a boyfriend at the time but it was like, one kiss. It'll hardly kill her even if it does make her uncomfortable, (though I do understand that).
That's true. It doesn't sound harsh, she shouldn't feel that uncomfortable. Gees, I would've LOVED kissing Hayden!!!!!!
Originally posted by Princess_Leia
Is is destiny that brought Anakin and Padme together? I know there was a prohecy but that was just about Anakin bringing balance. It never says anything about how he will do it. Anakin could have fallen to the darkside and be brought back my his mother if she hadn't died or Obi Wan, like if the situations had been different, you know what I mean? Obviously we'll never know but it was never specific so anything could have happened given whatever events were happening at the time.
See I was thinking on what Qui Gon had said that "nothing happens by chance". Padme met Anakin in Tattoine, and in episode II their relationship grew. When I said destiny I was thinking on the lines of Qui Gon analogy of the events that led them arrive in Tattoine. For me destiny played a big part on for Anakin and Padme.
Originally posted by Lyn
That's true. It doesn't sound harsh, she shouldn't feel that uncomfortable. Gees, I would've LOVED kissing Hayden!!!!!!
Well, I don't fancy Hayden myself (I'll take Ewan ta!) but I can think of worse people who I wouldn't want to kiss. I think it's different for an actor, like you'd actually know that person, see them face to face so it'd be different than just seeing them in a film and thinking they're good-looking and wanting to kiss them. It'd probably feel strange but I don't really think she has anything to complain about. It was only one kiss after all.
I haven't watched my AOTC dvd yet so I haven't seen those scenes but when I do I'll let you know my opinion. I think it'd probably have added more depth to the relationship by the sounds of it though. I think it just goes from A to C in the film, you know? It's so determined to prove that the relationship works and makes sense but it doesn't present you with the evident to show it, if you get what I mean. I just think it's disappointing as they did so well with Leia and Han.
Also, completely off topic, I don't know if you read HEAT magazine but there was a little thing on Natalie in it but it wasn't very complementary. It had a picture of her and was making reference to her very bushy eyebrows which before now I hadn't really noticed but in this particular picture they were VERY bushy. Girl needs a plucker! Anyway, just a funny little thing I read and thought I'd share with you as I know you're a Natalie fan too. Also, I read another article suggesting she and Jude Law had a thing going on. He's got a girlfriend though so I doubt it's true. Do you know if it's true she dated Hayden? Cause I've read that before but I don't know if it's true.
Anyway, sorry to get off topic there!