General Grievous

I have a theory linking Sifo Dias and General Grievous. We all know that GG is part alien and part machine and has the wherewithall to handle multiple lightsabres. The questions remain: how did he come accustomed to handling lightsabers, and if he is mostly machine, why doesn't the empire produce 1000's of GG.

Perhaps GG was Sifo Dias, a jedi who was presumed dead and then was "rebuilt" by the Palpatine the same way Vader will be. GG being an ex-jedi would explain his saber skill and his stategic intelligence. Assuming the only organic parts of GG body are his brain and possibly his eyes, it is possible that is almost all that was salvagable of his body when whatever ill fate fell him. That sort of damaged would explain why the jedi thought he was dead, and having an alien intelligence behind all that cybernetics would explain why the empire is not mass producing GG.

Remember the nervous look Mace and Yoda shared when discussing his name?

can't be, you need midichlorians to communicate with the force, and metal doesn't have that, so his sabre skills and such can't come from a jedi at all.

Granted you need midochlorians, but if general grievous is not 100% cybernetic, there has to be some tissue left. Thus, he may not be as in touch with the force before his new body, but there he still would be on some small level.

Yes, there is no way to rule out the cybernetic GG having force skills if Vader is not ruled out, as clearly he is not.

Not an uninteresting idea- but I don't think it has the ring of truth about it.

I think the larger problem than any technical fault with this idea is in why Dooku and Sidious would work with him. And I don't think we need to explain why he is not mass produced- he is a sentient being, regardless of what metal bits he has strapped to him. May as well ask why Maul or Vader are not mass produced.

Sidious would work with him for obvious reasons. If he was once a Jedi, Sidious would like nothing more then to have turned him to the dark side. Also, Sidious will need multiple enforcers if he is to rule the galaxy, not just Anakin.

The clones are sentient and mass produced. So the questions remains, what makes GG so bad? If one has the possibility to produce millions of clones with accelerated growth and innate disposition to follow orders, why would you not mass produce GG if he is just a brain with a cybernetic body?

There has to be something else there. It could possibly be that whatever alien life form was there before the implants, had force ability, and that is one thing that cannot be mass produced.

Grevious is the upper half part of maul, encapsulated on a bionic body.

I think we're all missing the obvious. It appears that only a Sith Lord or a Jedi wield a lightsaber. So, obviously, Grievous is either the remnants of a Sith Lord or a Jedi.

It really seems that simple to me.

corn

i just got the new insider. the maul thing may actually have at least some truth, considering that in the original animatics for grievous, they used vader's body with darth maul's eyes. i think it's interesting that his figting style was based on Capiora/Brazillian Kung Fu. Personally, I think Grievous is a character completely new, never seen before, and that he was critically injured by the Jedi about five years after episode one and was in command of the droid army within two years. His body was probably not completed until shortly after the battle of Geonosis with hime revealing himself to the Jedi after many allusions 4 months after that, after the battle of Muunilist.
as for the Jedi traitor...Rick says we've seen him on screen and that there have been allusions in the EU this whole time. I'm placing my chips on either Quinlan Vos or Sora Bulq.

GL said that with cutting Maul into he wanted to say "he's gone, he's not coming back", so unless he made a huge change of mind, Maul ISN'T returning

Originally posted by schill142
Sidious would work with him for obvious reasons. If he was once a Jedi, Sidious would like nothing more then to have turned him to the dark side. Also, Sidious will need multiple enforcers if he is to rule the galaxy, not just Anakin.

Absolutely not- only two, remember? He already has an apprentice and Grievous is obviously no replacement for Dooku if he is working alongside him. If Grievous IS a force-using being I would still be surprised if he was Sifo-Dyas.

As for clones being sentient and mass produced, that is a complete irrelevance, that is just like building a robot. The clones are NOT all as good as the original template. They are all obedient by nature and trained as soldiers throughout their growth cycle, but you cannot inject 'skill' into them, as it were.

Grievous is a PERSON, he is unique, you cannot make more of him. Simple common sense. You could try and make others LIKE him, but Grievous is a obviously a distinctly talented being. So they might well build other cyborgs, but where is the guaranteee that they will be as deadly as Grievous? You have to forget about his robotic parts; they just form part of a whole and making someone as dangerous as him is not just a matter of slapping robotics on.

As I say, you may as well ask why they do not make lots of Mauls or Vaders- or for that matter, Jango's; all they got were fit basic templates based upon him. You cannot duplicate personalities, and that includes the skills and powers of that personality.

Your actually strengthening my point. Why can't you clone Maul and Dooku? Because they possess the quality that one cannot clone, force ability.

And Corn's lightsaber point is correct, handling one saber is already tough, so how could you explain GG handling 2,3, and even 4 sabers?

The alien part of Grievous must have force capabilities.

you can't clone maul cause he's dead, fell in a shaft, he's over, not returning

Originally posted by yerssot
you can't clone maul cause he's dead, fell in a shaft, he's over, not returning

Ok, not to be offensive here, but come on yers! You should know that the fact that an organism is dead does not mean you cannot clone it. DNA samples can be obtained from any organism, living or dead, even if it has been dead for millions of years.

Doesn't anybody remember a few years back they took the DNA from the wooley mammoth they had found perfectly frozen in the tundra? The speculation was that the scientists were planning on creating another mammoth by splicing it with modern day elephant DNA.

Darth Maul could be cloned quite easily, however, I don't believe Grievous is what's left of Maul. If I had to put my money on it, I'd say GG contains the remnants of Sifo Dyas.

As I said before, any creature who can wield a lightsaber, much less 4 of them at one time, HAS to either be (or have been) either a Sith Lord or a Jedi.

Has to be.

cornplennious plentious magnanimous

I know, it's that GL clearly stated that Maul is dead and won't return

Right on Corn

Originally posted by schill142
Your actually strengthening my point. Why can't you clone Maul and Dooku? Because they possess the quality that one cannot clone, force ability.

And Corn's lightsaber point is correct, handling one saber is already tough, so how could you explain GG handling 2,3, and even 4 sabers?

The alien part of Grievous must have force capabilities.

It's entirely possible he has force powers, but it might also simply be a robotic boost to his natural co-ordination.

I am not strengthening your point at all, I am simply pointing out that cloning only produces templates, NOT simply the same thing again. As I made that point pretty clear with Jango, which you decline to refute- as indeed, you declined to comment on all of what I said that did not fit with your view, which is never seemly- your position is rather in tatters. They make more based upon him but they are NOT all as good as him and they all have to be trained! By your logic, as Jango has no force powers, they should be able to make billions just like him with all his skills. They cannot, so you are wrong.

So let me make it clear- force ability or not, you just could NOT simply create more of Grievous, only more cyborgs. He is a person, not a weapon or starship; you are letting the robotic parts of him distract you. Likewise they cannot create more Jangos- only more clones. Grievous' abilities are linked into the fact he is a unique and skilled being and that cannot be duplicated, whether it is down to his abilities with the Force or otherwise. The reason why there are no more, then, is as simple as that- there is no way TO create another one.

So there is absolutely no proof, as of yet, he has force powers- but it is far from impossible.

And stop connecting Star Wars to real life- in the SW films, it is clear you need a LIVING template for cloning. Jango had to stay on Kamino because they kept needing to get fresh material from him.

Natural co-ordination? I'm trying to recall any co-ordinated individuals in the SW universe that can weild a lightsaber(s) by co-ordination alone. Robotics is not enough. The force must be prevalient.

You are corrert, one cannot instill life experiences, which is why Jango is superior to his clones. I've never argued that. My position is that the main quality that seperated GG from Droids, Clones, and other enemies is the same quality that allows him to wield 4 sabers, i.e. force ability, not just talent or experience or anything else for that matter.

If this theory is correct, and it is just a theory. It might well provide a link to Sifo's identity.

You have no proof that the force would have to be prevalent. It would be extremely difficult but FAR from impossible for a non-force user to wield a sabre. He would never do it as well as a Jedi, and there probably would not be any point, but it could be done.

And if GL wants to say a uniquely talented guy with robotic enhancements to his co-ordination and skill can also do it, then he can do that- it does not HAVE to be Force ability, even though that is a very plausible explanation.

He can, and no I don't have any proof. It's all just theory. A very simple theory that seems to fit the SW universe thus far. Individuals who wield sabers have force ability.