Dooku's Skill

dooku is often said to be the 2nd best duelist in all the star wars movies, being 2nd only to yoda, others think hes below mace and sidious also. what we do know is hes one of the best duelists the jedi order has ever seen. so what im curious about his exacly how much of it is skill, and how much of it is his form.

form 2 wasnt used often at all by the time of the prequal movies, and saber to saber combat wasnt a very important part of a jedis life. so had dooku chosen something like form 1 or 5 or even 7, would he have still been reguarded second only to yoda as far as the order is concerned. his chosen form obviously gave him an advantage, but just how much of an advantage was it? enough to propel him from being a highly skilled jedi like obi wan and the rest of the councel to someone closer to yodas level than any others, or would he have gained that reputation without the edge form 2 gave him?

Well if you say it like that you make it sound like Dooku only knows Form II. I believe he also knows form IV which Qui-Gon used because why would Dooku teach Qui-Gon a form he doesn't know already. Like Obi-Wan learning Form IV but switching to Form III.

I read somewhere that Dooku didn't master Form II until sometime before Episode I. I think that Dooku was well respected and like Qui-Gon he would have been on the Jedi Council if he didn't disobey the code as match.

Well, the Jedi in PT didn't often face lightsaber-equipped opponents so I guess that gave him a big advantage since everyone else was probably using Soresu, Niman or Shii Cho

Dooku was the second most-skilled duelist in the Jedi Order before he left it. Yoda was his superior by a small margin, but I also tend to think that Sidious is above Dooku, for the sake of Dooku being the apprentice. Dooku had beaten Mace in lightsaber combat at some point before TPM.

Originally posted by Decay
dooku is often said to be the 2nd best duelist in all the star wars movies, being 2nd only to yoda, others think hes below mace and sidious also. what we do know is hes one of the best duelists the jedi order has ever seen. so what im curious about his exacly how much of it is skill, and how much of it is his form.

form 2 wasnt used often at all by the time of the prequal movies, and saber to saber combat wasnt a very important part of a jedis life. so had dooku chosen something like form 1 or 5 or even 7, would he have still been reguarded second only to yoda as far as the order is concerned. his chosen form obviously gave him an advantage, but just how much of an advantage was it? enough to propel him from being a highly skilled jedi like obi wan and the rest of the councel to someone closer to yodas level than any others, or would he have gained that reputation without the edge form 2 gave him?

In the SW universe it's impossible to determine what if kind of questions. . .

IMHO Dooku is superior to Sids in saber skills. However Sids would pwn him with the force which is what kept him the master. And Mace was not as good as the Count, it has been proven that Dooku can beat him and Dooku has had far more experience. So Dooku would beat Mace, however only marginally.

Count Dooku is an extremely capable duelist and Force-user. He is in the Top Five greatest duelists in the PT trilogy.

1. Yoda
2. Anakin/Mace
3. Anakin/Mace
4. Sidious/Dooku
5. Sidious/Dooku

Escape has it, though Dooku is probably more equal to Mace.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Escape has it, though Dooku is probably more equal to Mace.

I screwed up, actually.

It was supposed to be:

1. Yoda/Sidious/Anakin
2. Yoda/Sidious/Anakin
3. Yoda/Sidious/Anakin
4. Mace Windu
5. Count Dooku

personally I wouldn't put Anakin on 1,2 or 3.
We are talking about greatest duelists. Anakin wasn't better than Yoda, Sidious or Mace. And I even doubt he was better than Dooku.

Indeed. Anakin was good, but he still lost to Kenobi.

Anakin lost to Obi-Wan because he was stupid.

Originally posted by Xavius
Indeed. Anakin was good, but he still lost to Kenobi.

Anakin > Kenobi in both Force powers and in lightsaber ability. I am not going to argue this again.

Anakin > Dooku in lightsaber ability. This is a fact. Not to mention that Sidious described Anakin as "more powerful" than Count Dooku. Not "has the potential to be more powerful" but "is more powerful than Count Dooku".

So. Anakin is above Dooku and especially Kenobi.

I'm sorry, but I'M not going to repeat myself again.

Kenobi won the duel. Anakin lost. They were shown to be on par in the force and Kenobi wiped the floor with Anakin at the end. That is a fact.

Anakin is above Dooku in Lightsaber skill. The Force? No, not at that point.

Originally posted by henniestevens
personally I wouldn't put Anakin on 1,2 or 3.
We are talking about greatest duelists. Anakin wasn't better than Yoda, Sidious or Mace. And I even doubt he was better than Dooku.

Originally posted by Escape81
I screwed up, actually.

It was supposed to be:

1. Yoda/Sidious/Anakin
2. Yoda/Sidious/Anakin
3. Yoda/Sidious/Anakin
4. Mace Windu
5. Count Dooku

I pretty much agree with this except I'd put it like this in order of best to worst.

Yoda = Sidious = Anakin = Mace = Dooku

But they're all RELATIVELY equal. So Yoda and Sidious are pretty much equal, with Anakin being pretty much equal to Sidious, but Sidious is slightly better then Anakin, but Anakin isn't likely to beat Yoda. Then Anakin and Mace are equal but Mace isn't likely to beat Sidious and Yoda. And Mace and Dooku are equal but Dooku isn't likely to beat Anakin, Sidious, or Yoda. However, they could ALL fight with each other (1 on 1) and it would be a good fight and difficult to determine.

Make sense? 😐

Yeah but if this is based on lightsaber skill Sidious would be below Mace. After all Mace did defeat Palpatine in saber combat but he wouldn't have won even if Anakin didn't come.

Why the f**k is everyone saying that Mace is above the Count. In saber skills the Count is better by a reasonably large margin (purely because his Makashi style is made for lightsaber comat). And then in force abilities they are on par with the Count possibly having a very marginal lead. I say this because he has around 80 years of knowledge of both the light and dark side whereas Mace has had only around 40 years of experience with the light side.

Hmm maybe because Mace's form VII seems to be a very powerful skill and a hard one to master. But I do rank Count Dooku above Mace Windu.

Originally posted by ESB - 1138
Hmm maybe because Mace's form VII seems to be a very powerful skill and a hard one to master. But I do rank Count Dooku above Mace Windu.

Thankyou!!! Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. 😄