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Since I know people are going to go out of the way and claim that Hett beat Anakin, no, that never happened. What happened was Anakin seeing the tuskens that had killed his mother, Hett begging him to come to his senses, Anakin nearly killing Hett, and Hett kicking Anakin away. Hardly a quantifiable feat to rely on.
I don't even see how this is a fight, one's the most powerful Sith of his time who pioneered techniques that require extreme power in the force, and the other is one who was stomped on by Sids because of the possibility of him eventually getting stronger in the future.
Since I know people are going to go out of the way and claim that Hett beat Anakin,
Why are you so focused on Hett? Hett is a *bug* to Krayt. A team of Hetts couldn't beat Krayt.
Krayt is better than Hett in every way.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
I think that Maul at least stands a chance, while I don't think he'll win, there are only a HANDFUL, maybe even less, amount of Jedi or Sith that could match his skill in Lightsaber Combat. Which plays a big part in battles like this.
Yea, but... Krayt's certainly one of them (he dominates his area, and even as a whelp he was one of the better CW era Jedi), as well as being much stronger in the force.
A top-level force user can get to the level where someone like Maul isn't a threat- Sidious got to the level where Maul *and* Savage together weren't a threat, and while Krayt's lower than Sids, he's not far behind.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
According to what is Krayt remotely "close" to Sidious?
Common sense. The guy wasn't far below Kenobi when he was a century less experience and waaay less powerful.
In the force, he's managed to accomplish things that Sidious and Plagueis pursued but couldn't manage (dark transfer), and Luke Skywalker though he was very powerful even in his armored form, which was not his peak.
He dominates his era about as much as Sidious dominates his... and the Legacy era has plenty of strong duelists, so that's nothing to laugh at.
The best in an era that has Skywalkers and ancient sith popping up, and who's considered powerful by Luke (and I don't see Luke giving that praise to Maul), is going to be formidable in any era. Just because Sidious is 'the best' doesn't mean it's best-by-a-mile, after all.
FOTJ: Apocalypse not so subtly implies that Luke and Krayt were equals.
They fight and kill the bulk of Abeloth's essence together. But it's more than that. They are represented as the paragons of Light and Dark, the champions of Jedi and Sith.
The theme of the whole book is the dualist yin/yang type of philosophy that Light and Dark, creation and destruction are two sides of the same coin, equal and opposite, and that both are necessary and must remain in balance.
Luke and Krayt are embodiments of that in the book, along with Vestara and Ben to a lesser extent.
I'm of the opinion that both Luke and Krayt were stronger than Sidious.
Just about everything Krayt has done, Sidious has done far better.
Blitzing Imperial Knights? Sidious did the same to 3 celebrated Jedi swordsmiths that each have their own share of feats under their belts.
Killing Yuuzhan Vong with lightning? Sidious reduced the Prophets of the Dark Side into charred skeletons.
Ragdolling Darth Nihl? Sidious has done the same to Maul, who... Has better TK feats than Krayt to begin with.
Krayt being Sidious's peer simply doesn't compute.
Blitzing Imperial Knights? Sidious did the same to 3 celebrated Jedi swordsmiths that each have their own share of feats under their belts.
Though Sids caught his by surprised, the IKs were ready, were 4 instead of 3, and two of them were actually coming up behind Krayt and done without looking. Every IK we've seen has been master level, and one was the Emperor's cousin.
So, it's not like it's better in all respects, even if the three were better (and only Fisto really had significant feats).
Killing Yuuzhan Vong with lightning? Sidious reduced the Prophets of the Dark Side into charred skeletons.
Actually I think Vong are more impressive opponents than Prophets... they're force resistant and dangerous warriors.
Ragdolling Darth Nihl? Sidious has done the same to Maul, who... Has better TK feats than Krayt to begin with.
Krayt's TK also crumbled stone. But mostly he doesn't use TK, preferring lightning or, even more-so, sabers, so that's not saying much. He did fight against Cade, who's TK much surpasses Maul's.
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There's also making his presence felt across the entire galaxy, and doing similar exhausted Dark Nest Luke.
Dark Transfer and self-resurrection, also, was the kind of life-and-death control that Sidious was trying to sell that he and Anakin working together could achieve, only Krayt, unlike Sidious, actually achieved it.
So Krayt has a few things he's done better than Sidious, including one of Sidious' primary goals.
Krayt being Sidious's peer simply doesn't compute.
Sure it does. Keep in mind, most of those feats don't establish a high boundry, they're mostly thing both of them have done without being pressed hard. And Krayt without a doubt has specific areas where he's better. Likely the inverse is true, but there is no across the board superiority.
Also, here's some stuff from Fate of the Jedi Apocalypse:
"Mara, it's okay," Luke said. "I'm ready. I want to be with you."
"Too bad." He felt his upper body rising as she tried to push him upward. "I don't want to be with you-not here, not yet."
"What?" Luke asked, feeling more confused than resentful. "Mara, I'm wounded...badly. Abeloth took something out of me."
"She wounded him, too." Mara's other hand rose out of the water and pointed past Luke's head, toward the tattooed Sith who had helped Luke kill Abeloth. The stranger was on his feet, limping toward the far shore, with both hands clutched to his chest. "If he can do it, so can you."
"That's ridiculous. Their injuries may be different." This voice came from Luke's other side, sinister and cajoling... and also familiar. "Besides, Sith are stronger. They have the dark side."
"Who is he?" Luke asked, turning to find Jacen looking up from the water on his other side. "You know, don't you?"
"I told you," Jacen replied. "He's the one I saw sitting on the Throne of Balance."
Both were badly wounded by Abeloth, but Krayt stood up first. Mara said if Krayt could do it, so could Luke... and Jacen disagreed.
Jacen thought Krayt was stronger than Luke, and while he could of course be wrong (sith often overestimate the dark vs the light), the only way he could think that is if he felt Krayt was stronger than himself, because he *knows* he's weaker than Luke.
So Caedus felt Krayt was stronger than Caedus at bare minimum, something he could hardly be mistaken with, and rated Krayt as a peer to Luke to boot, which while possibly mistaken, still says something about just how powerful Krayt is.
And that was pre-rebirth Krayt. Not as worn down by the symbionts as he'd become, but still, not quite his maximum either.
Also in Fate of the Jedi:
Luke Agreed. "It's the Jedi and the Sith who must take the place of the Son and the Daughter... and deal with Abeloth."
One of the strong themes of the story is the yin/yang of Krayt/Luke and how they fit in the role of the Ones as peers. And they did contribute roughly equally to the victory against Abeloth.
How can one be a clear peer of Luke and not of Sidious?
Krayt wasn't a clear peer of Luke; Luke was doing the hard shit: keeping Abeloth contained. Krayt's role was critical, but all he was doing was taking advantage of Luke containing her.
Put it another way, who's better? The man who can pin a grizzly bear or the second guy who walks up and shoots it with a tranq gun while the first guy is holding it down?
The first guy. By a lot.
Originally posted by The_Tempest🙄
Krayt wasn't a clear peer of Luke; Luke was doing the hard shit: keeping Abeloth contained. Krayt's role was critical, but all he was doing was taking advantage of Luke containing her.Put it another way, who's better? The man who can pin a grizzly bear or the second guy who walks up and shoots it with a tranq gun while the first guy is holding it down?
The first guy. By a lot.
