Check your sources, assclown.
Still an oddly cool guy, all things considered.
Check your sources, assclown.
Still an oddly cool guy, all things considered.
You can get it here. Just click on the title and if you have Winzip or Winrar you'll get it.
Intrepid says Gideon's having real life problems. I hope he's ok. 🙁
Originally posted by EminenceThat... makes me sad.
Check your sources, assclown.Still an oddly cool guy, all things considered.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You can get it here. Just click on the title and if you have Winzip or Winrar you'll get it.Intrepid says Gideon's having real life problems. I hope he's ok. 🙁
Good luck to Gideon, I know he's dealing with post-college stuff, that's some scary shiite
In order to evaluate the speeds of characters, it is helpful to look first at the descriptions of their own actions, and then compare against the abilities of their opponents. This method has one main benefit: By first establishing a realistic "league" within which a character can operate (as I intend to do below) we can then estimate how fast another character might be.
First, let's look at Darth Bane's abilities as described in the beginning of Dynasty of Evil. In this passage, Darth Bane is exercising during a rainstorm and uses his lightsaber to block every single droplet of water from touching his skin. This is actually an absurdly impressive feat, as is demonstrated here. First, it is important to get information about our contestant:
Path of Destruction:
[T]he tall, skinny teenager they loved to bully had become a mountain of muscle with heavy hands and a fierce temper. Mining was a tough job; it was the closest thing to hard labor outside a Republic prison colony. Whoever worked the mines on Apatros got big-and Des just happened to become the biggest of them all. Half a dozen black eyes, countless bloody noses, and one broken jaw in the space of a month was all it took for Hurst's old friends to decide they'd be happier if they left Des alone.
Path of Destruction:
The ensign was sitting directly across from him. He let out a long, loud whistle. "Blast, you're a big boy," he shouted boisterously. "How tall are you-one ninety? One ninety-five?""Two meters even," Des replied without looking at him.
Using these numbers (200 cm, 300 lbs) I used this online calculator to estimate Bane's surface area as 2.75 square meters.
The Wookiee lists a lightsaber as being "usually 145 cm" (1.45 m) long and a good estimate (backed up by an archived forum) guesses it is 4 cm (.04 m) wide. The surface area of a cross section of a lightsaber blade is thus .058 meters square.
Bane is successful at using is .058 square meter rectangle to defend his entire 2.75 square meter body surface area from rainfall. Dividing the two numbers shows that the lightsaber has to cover an area 62.5 times larger than itself every second. That's 62.5 places for the lightsaber to be every second.
One possible objection is that counting both the front and back of Darth Bane may overstate his speed. However, the narration of Bane's training exercise is very clear that he is not minimizing surface area, and that both his front and back is in danger at any given time:
Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil:
Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses.
If anything, the surface area of this analysis is understated (because I refuse to do calculus to track his exposure to the rain!)
Now, we have established that the lightsaber is covering an area 62.5 times greater than its own, every single second. Why is that significant? Well, the narration is clear that this is more than a light sprinkling of rain:
Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil:
As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts.The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain. Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses.
For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze.
A government website lists the number of drops per second per square foot as 1,220. That means that the area covered by the lightsaber at any given moment experiences .058 * 1,220 = 70.75 raindrops per second. Flipping that, we get .014 seconds per raindrop.
If Bane were simply moving his lightsaber up and down then it would travel 2*2 meters (head to toe and back again) in .014 seconds. This results in a speed of 285 m/s. Sadly, Bane is spinning and jumping and greatly increasing the distance his lightsaber has to travel before it can return to any given point. Let's say that the twists, twirls, and contortions triple the distance that the lightsaber has to go. Then we get a speed of 857 m/s, which is very close to the muzzle velocity of an M16 rifle.
Bane is practically in bullet time during his training period, which holds no stakes beyond pride.
By comparrison, the Plagueis feat is relatively tame:
The contest took them backward and forward through the trees, across narrow streams, and up onto piles of rocks that were the ruins of an ancient sentry post. Plagueis took a moment to wonder if anyone at the fort was observing the results of the contest, which, from afar, must have looked like lightning flashing through the forest’s understory.
We have two combatants, waving light sources at what is presumably a fast speed. The forest is dark, and the two sources flare upon contact. To describe this as lightning is accurate, but hardly evocative of conduction at the speed of light. Moreover, there is no report of blades appearing in more than one place at once. Instead, the blades are, at best, a blur:
Darth Plagueis:
At the height of Venamis’s attack, Plagueis came back into himself with such fury that his lightsaber became a blinding rod.
This is not impressive, in terms of either hyperbole or fact. Superior combatants are said to weild multiple blades (Kas'im, Windu) or trace the perimeter of an entire body (Sidious).
Last, I'd like to point out that speed of locomotion is significantly different from speed of reaction. Bane is moving his lightsaber very quickly and unless Plagueis is able to claim victory by running in a straight line in the opposite direction, I'll pick the guy who can move in bullet time.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
My source was REX's facebook.Punishment rolls uphill!
Rex is responsible for this treachery?
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
So I'm currently looking to buy a gaming laptop. Decent, 730 mb video memory and an AMD elite quad processor. Finally, after years of crappy computers!Also, what's been up with you guys? Since I'm on vacation in the US I haven't been online at all.
730 MB? Buying laptops from China eh? Also, keep it ventilated. Laptops suffer from poor ventilation already and gaminbg generates a lot of heat.
Originally posted by Zampanó
In order to evaluate the speeds of characters, it is helpful to look first at the descriptions of their own actions, and then compare against the abilities of their opponents. This method has one main benefit: By first establishing a realistic "league" within which a character can operate (as I intend to do below) we can then estimate how fast another character might be.First, let's look at Darth Bane's abilities as described in the beginning of Dynasty of Evil. In this passage, Darth Bane is exercising during a rainstorm and uses his lightsaber to block every single droplet of water from touching his skin. This is actually an absurdly impressive feat, as is demonstrated here. First, it is important to get information about our contestant:
In the real world, Mr Olympia is 5'9" and weighs 280 pounds in the off-season (250 in the on-season). Extrapolating, it is not inconceivable for Bane to weigh 300 pounds.
Using these numbers (200 cm, 300 lbs) I used this online calculator to estimate Bane's surface area as 2.75 square meters.
The Wookiee lists a lightsaber as being "usually 145 cm" (1.45 m) long and a good estimate (backed up by an archived forum) guesses it is 4 cm (.04 m) wide. The surface area of a cross section of a lightsaber blade is thus .058 meters square.
Bane is successful at using is .058 square meter rectangle to defend his entire 2.75 square meter body surface area from rainfall. Dividing the two numbers shows that the lightsaber has to cover an area 62.5 times larger than itself every second. That's 62.5 places for the lightsaber to be every second.
One possible objection is that counting both the front and back of Darth Bane may overstate his speed. However, the narration of Bane's training exercise is very clear that he is not minimizing surface area, and that both his front and back is in danger at any given time:
If anything, the surface area of this analysis is understated (because I refuse to do calculus to track his exposure to the rain!)
Now, we have established that the lightsaber is covering an area 62.5 times greater than its own, every single second. Why is that significant? Well, the narration is clear that this is more than a light sprinkling of rain:
Emphasis mine.
A government website lists the number of drops per second per square foot as 1,220. That means that the area covered by the lightsaber at any given moment experiences .058 * 1,220 = 70.75 raindrops per second. Flipping that, we get .014 seconds per raindrop.
If Bane were simply moving his lightsaber up and down then it would travel 2*2 meters (head to toe and back again) in .014 seconds. This results in a speed of 285 m/s. Sadly, Bane is spinning and jumping and greatly increasing the distance his lightsaber has to travel before it can return to any given point. Let's say that the twists, twirls, and contortions triple the distance that the lightsaber has to go. Then we get a speed of 857 m/s, which is very close to the muzzle velocity of an M16 rifle.
Bane is practically in bullet time during his training period, which holds no stakes beyond pride.
By comparrison, the Plagueis feat is relatively tame:
We have two combatants, waving light sources at what is presumably a fast speed. The forest is dark, and the two sources flare upon contact. To describe this as lightning is accurate, but hardly evocative of conduction at the speed of light. Moreover, there is no report of blades appearing in more than one place at once. Instead, the blades are, at best, a blur:
This is not impressive, in terms of either hyperbole or fact. Superior combatants are said to weild multiple blades (Kas'im, Windu) or trace the perimeter of an entire body (Sidious).
Last, I'd like to point out that speed of locomotion is significantly different from speed of reaction. Bane is moving his lightsaber very quickly and unless Plagueis is able to claim victory by running in a straight line in the opposite direction, I'll pick the guy who can move in bullet time.
Holy shit. I think I have to profile this.
You'll have to clean up the version you uploaded to comicvine though.