Darth Vader vs. Darth Bane - Sabers Only

Originally posted by Marco1907
@DP

You're right it was completely an act, not only saber fight. Maybe I should remove it.

I'm still not sure you understand.

It was a whole Act in the episode as in like a whole Part of the episode. Like the 3rd Act of a Play.

Yes, you should remove it from your Respect Thread.

Originally posted by Marco1907
As for duelists list, Dooku is very subjective in my point of view, I mean he is too elegant for my taste, I would always prefer a wild Juyo style like Sidious, Windu, Maul, Savage etc. Or even Djem-So, not saying that Dooku should be inferior here, I am just saying that Dooku should be a subjective choice.

The elegant style is actually good for defending yourself.

Darth Maul fends off Opress's Power Blows very elegantly with 1 hand. It was very Dooku style. But then the arm twist and kick was adding in Maul's more notable style

Wait, I didn't understand what you're saying, are you saying that Vizsla is skilled enough to put up a fight with saber against Maul ? Filoni says that if Maul could've saberblitzed him, Vizsla fans would slaughter him for that. That is why he called it ''act''

Originally posted by Marco1907
Wait, I didn't understand what you're saying, are you saying that Vizsla is skilled enough to put up a fight with saber against Maul ? Filoni says that if Maul could've saberblitzed him, Vizsla fans would slaughter him for that. That is why he called it ''act''

No, no that's not what he was saying at all.

He was saying he had to make this such a long fight that it became an Entire Act(Part) of the episode in itself.

Filoni even explained this was a chance to see how Madalorian armor stacks up against the Force and so Viszla going all out and using all his weapons to try and defeat Maul.

Filoni has made other comments on that fight which make it perfectly clear that is was a proper fight.

As for my personal view on their fight, Iirc Vizsla was kick floored onto the floor within a few seconds of the start of fighting and then starts flying and shooting at Maul. So I don't think Vizsla would have lasted very long at all without his Jet Pack and other weapons. But it was a legit fight. The only aspect Maul was holding back on was his TK IMHO.

Well, I would agree that Maul could've saberblitz him if not for jet pack, similar to what happened to Windu vs. Jango, Windu managed to saberblitz him because Jango's jet pack was broken.

Filoni said the entire fight was virtually an act on Maul's part - that he wanted to make it look convincing. He stated that if Vizsla was put into a scenario of stompage akin to Boba Fett being jetpacked into the Sarlacc fans of Vizsla would be upset, which speaks to how badly Maul could have stomped Vizsla if he wanted to.

I also subscribe to the notion that Maul held back against Vizsla in that he didn't bring his full powers to bear against him for the purpose of appealing to the Death Watch's sense of honor and superiority. In other words, "Look guys, your boss is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at me and I'mma still kick his ass without using any my Jedi-killing-starship-chucking Sith powers."

But that's just a reasonable interpretation I've inferred based on prior performances and feats. Nowhere is that remotely said to be the case.

Originally posted by ILS
Filoni said the entire fight was virtually an act on Maul's part - that he wanted to make it look convincing.

No he didn't!

Jeez what's with all these new members either having little grasp of the English language or simply saying "Hey I heard the word ACT.. LALALALA I'm not listening to the rest, because I've heard all what I wanted to!!!"

For the umpteenth time He was referring to Act, as in an Act in a Play. As in a whole Part of the Episode. His explanation makes his meaning very clear.

You're right DP, I have such little grasp of the English language. Excuse my noobism. Filoni wasn't referring to the sword fight at all.

This sword fight - that's a whole act, practically. Do it right, to make it exciting - that's a whole act, because the fans of Pre Vizsla, are gonna mob me at Celebration in the future if, if Vizsla goes down too easily. This is not going to be a Boba Fett into the Sarlacc pit.

Why did this place have to get so lame? 🙁

Siding with DP, here. That quote is clearly not referring to in-universe.

I don't think it matters if it's in or out of universe. Either way Maul or the creators were just putting on an "act" that defies the logical outcome, which was compared to Boba Fett being taken out by a blind Han Solo. It's a vague quote but IMO it's Filoni's way of saying "yeah... Viszla has no business fighting Maul".

Maul isn't in this thread.

Of the guys who are, Vader seems to be the more sophisticated duelist. He also has that dual phase Lightsaber of his for surprise attacks.

If Bane has a speed advantage, so does most everyone else Vader fights since getting his suit, and his reaction time is typically adequate to deal with faster foes.

Vader has the strength and durability edge. Machine Strength is greater then a man's, after all. And that suit of his is armor after all.

I'm assuming this is DoE Bane btw, since Orbalisk Bane would fairly stomp Vader.

It's worth noting that Vader's style is only more "sophisticated" because he needs to make up for the numerous disadvantages of his suit. It's telling to me that as Anakin he preferred to use straight Djem So instead of forming a blended style like he did as Vader, despite having the same amount of knowledge as when he created that style.

Vader and Bane have similar levels of strength imo, but Bane's speed advantage is very vast.

Originally posted by Nephthys

It's worth noting that Vader's style is only more "sophisticated" because he needs to make up for the numerous disadvantages of his suit.

True.

I'm more of the opinion that the suit taught Vader humility...something he desperately needed. Anakin's body with Vader's experience and humility would've owned Obi Wan on Mustafar. Pretty much ALL of Vader's skills...saber and force...improved drastically as cyborgVader, despite his potential taking a nosedive. Indeed, if ROTJ Vader fought ROTS Vader/Anakin, the cyborg would defeat his younger self handily.

Some things in life, poor old Ani just isn't going to learn till he loses a limb or 3.

Bane gets stomped

Originally posted by Sinious
Bane wins.

No he doesnt

Originally posted by ILS
You're right DP, I have such little grasp of the English language. Excuse my noobism. Filoni wasn't referring to the sword fight at all.

You're not the smartest guy on the block are you?

"That's a Whole Act," does not equate to "Maul is Acting."

An Act in a play is a significant part of the play. Like this fight was a significant part of the episode.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You're not the smartest guy on the block are you?

"That's a Whole Act," does not equate to "Maul is Acting."

An Act in a play is a significant part of the play. Like this fight was a significant part of the episode.

You know what.. I interpreted it as Maul was "acting" at first, but rereading it with your interpretation in mind, it also makes sense.