Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok, Logan was in a weakend state BUT he STILL has a healing factor.

The only time she was able to see during the entire fight was when the lighting flashed. Thats it. Logan on the other hand doesnt have much trouble seeing in the night darkness.

98% of her fights are shown. Full panels too.

He was handleing the hand ninjas, then Elektra(?) jumped in and defeated her. Later on, she got ressed, but she was weakened.

Granted you say Logan didnt take a hit. He has an Adamantium skeleton, claws and a healing factor which gives him higher stamina. She doesnt have niether of that. All she has was chucks. Big difference, Battlehammer.

true, but a month made the healing factor pritty much non exsistent.

then again lightning flashes could hurt logans vission since it so acute.

that may be, but this fight was not shown really only discribed

see I gotta check that out I could have shorwn there were a few fights with the hand.

higher stamina matter little when the entire battle likly ended in under and hour.

Originally posted by Switch 07
Logan never trys to stop a fight.

I know she couldn't beat him or really do major damage, but he at least knew she could hurt him using her skill.

But for the what tier argument I don't really care or know.

false actaully logan has tried to stop many fights actually.

I don't think he was worried at all for his sake.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Didnt one work on him from Elektra?

actaully that hurts your arguement.

she had use her sias into his deltiods for it to work. and once removed he was instantly healed.

thats the only way a pressure point will work is if you can jam a weapon in it and hold it in place,becuase it will prevent logans body healing.

dam we got off topic any ways.

Drizzt for second tier.

against echo for first

might want to rethink taskmaster for first tier however he has some shitty feats

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully that hurts your arguement.

she had use her sias into his deltiods for it to work. and once removed he was instantly healed.

thats the only way a pressure point will work is if you can jam a weapon in it and hold it in place,becuase it will prevent logans body healing.

How does it hury my arguement?

Youre saying the only way a pressure point would work on wolvie is if its actual body damage? His skin has to be punctured and the weapon or item has to stay in his body? I dont buy that at all.

Originally posted by jrodslam
How does it hury my arguement?

Youre saying the only way a pressure point would work on wolvie is if its actual body damage? His skin has to be punctured and the weapon or item has to stay in his body? I dont buy that at all.

in order for a pressure point to work an object must be lodge into his body in kept in the spot. As shown once the object was removed such as elektra sia's logan regain full functon of his body. Pressure point damage and attacks are heal instantly unless an object pervents it from healing.

pritty simple to crasp

I was thinking Hawkman should be in the second tier as he has schooled Vandal Savage hand to hand and has over 4000 years of experience in fighting. I actually posted scans of why he should be higher, but at least he is getting moved up

Gamora should stay where she is.

Back in the day, she was one shotting Thing, She Hulk, etc. She caused Drax to cough up the gem that he swallowed by hitting him in the stomach... that was old-school, major durable Drax. Then there was the time she was beating Thanos in H2H... who physically dwarfs her in stats.

Before her current power up.

Nowadays she still stalemates Ronan, who is a major villain to even some herald-level-types.

Hell, even if we assume that KK is far above her, she still belongs at the top of this list... if we had a tier higher, maybe KK should go there (no, that wasn't a suggestion for a new tier), but we shouldn't judge this on individual match ups anyways.

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Gamora should stay where she is.

Back in the day, she was one shotting Thing, She Hulk, etc. She http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=447662&from=thread&pagenumber=63#post9705650
KMC Forums - Ranks for MAscaused Drax to cough up the gem that he swallowed by hitting him in the stomach... that was old-school, major durable Drax. Then there was the time she was beating Thanos in H2H... who physically dwarfs her in stats.

Before her current power up.

Nowadays she still stalemates Ronan, who is a major villain to even some herald-level-types.

Hell, even if we assume that KK is far above her, she still belongs at the top of this list... if we had a tier higher, maybe KK should go there (no, that wasn't a suggestion for a new tier), but we shouldn't judge this on individual match ups anyways.

*Changes opinion* 👆

Originally posted by SpookySmurph
Gamora should stay where she is.

Back in the day, she was one shotting Thing, She Hulk, etc. She caused Drax to cough up the gem that he swallowed by hitting him in the stomach... that was old-school, major durable Drax. Then there was the time she was beating Thanos in H2H... who physically dwarfs her in stats.

Before her current power up.

Nowadays she still stalemates Ronan, who is a major villain to even some herald-level-types.

Hell, even if we assume that KK is far above her, she still belongs at the top of this list... if we had a tier higher, maybe KK should go there (no, that wasn't a suggestion for a new tier), but we shouldn't judge this on individual match ups anyways.

Originally posted by Bransolute
Someone tried to change her? 😂

🥷

Originally posted by Bransolute
Someone tried to change her? 😂

Much better name. 👆

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know enough about Mantis to dispute her place... but I have a feeling she should be moved down also.

Current Hierarchy [173]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [56]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hawkman, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [26]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Mystique to Third: 1 [Smurph] / 1 [Srank]
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 1 [srank]
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 1 [capt]
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 [bran] / 1 [srank]
Warlock to uber: 2 [bran, ll] / 1 [srank]
Mantis down to uber: 3 [Soljer, Xmarks, Srank] / 1 [bran]
Kingpin to second: 2 [jrod, srank] / 3 [capt, llag, Macoy]
Gamora to Uber: 1 [srank] / 4 [Bran, Smurph, Soljer, Switch]
Thanos to Uber(lower?): 2 [srank, Soljer] / 0
Beast to Forth: 1 [Blair] / 0
Iron Man to accomplished 1 [blair] / 0
Hawkman to second: 1 [mungi] / 0

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Additions:

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Notes:
-Reminder to Soljer to figure out how many indie character's we're allowed to have and place Zealot and Magnus
-The Echo movement was already defeated five to one. If you'd like to re-vote on this, please give it at least a day or three.
-Hawkman to third tier was supported four to zero, I'm going to consider it approved and put in a new vote for Mungi for Hawkman to second.

Magnus is from Valiant and it was apretty big company once, so no to him being indy. Same as Zealot.

I second the Beast < -- > Iron Man motion.

Im against the Beast and Ironman switch.

Uh...

anyway I vote Beast is above Tony.

Tony did pretty well in Civil War

Drizzt to second tier............