Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It wasn't really a fight. Echo attacked Wolverine going full tilt. He tried to talk her down but she "could only see his breath." She kept attacking him until he said nuts to this a popped his claws... and that was it.

How was Echo going full tilt? What makes you think that? First off, she had to use all her strength just to get up to fight. Then at the end of the fight, she told Logan that she didnt mean to fight him, but it was because of the thunder. Logan was fighting back, so she wasnt the only one attacking. Also even IF she was going "All out" or "Full tilt", she was fasting and hadnt eat or drank in days, thus made her weak.

I just got back from class, and am about to go work out. I'll reflect Zealot and, perhaps Magnus' recommendations after I get back.

I will have to recall those specific rules, though. I believe that top tier was supposed to be open to about 5% of the list from Marvel and DC(each), and about half that from indie - which is what we'd consider Wildstorm if we didn't consider it DC. I'll figure out the exact regulations we were using, and reflect the proposed additions/changes.

Glad to get this damned thing up and running again!

Originally posted by jrodslam
How was Echo going full tilt? What makes you think that? First off, she had to use all her strength just to get up to fight. Then at the end of the fight, she told Logan that she didnt mean to fight him, but it was because of the thunder. Logan was fighting back, so she wasnt the only one attacking. Also even IF she was going "All out" or "Full tilt", she was fasting and hadnt eat or drank in days, thus made her weak.

echo was fightign for her life. she even states she was using all the moves in her arsenal. Logan on the other end was trying to talk to her, but she was unable to see his face due to how dark it was. Logan may have fought back, but he was ahrdly going close to all out.

I am getting the scans now. 🙂

Originally posted by Battlehammer
echo was fightign for her life. she even states she was using all the moves in her arsenal. Logan on the other end was trying to talk to her, but she was unable to see his face due to how dark it was. Logan may have fought back, but he was ahrdly going close to all out.

Echo was not fighting for her life. She initiated the fight. She stated that she was using all the moves in her arsenal to stay AHEAD of Wolvie. we dont know if Loga was trying to talk to her or not while they were fighting. Half of it was darkness and the other half was quick flashes of lighting. I never stated that Logan was going all out, but neither was Echo. Theres not doubts that Logan was giving effort however. As she stated "Hes like a Picasso-Bull... in all directions at once. I play the bullfighter." By that alone tells us that hes was on the attack. Again, neither was going all out.

stating that your using every move in your arsenal pritty clearly states your using a lot of effort.

Logan on the other hand kept his claws in. indecating he was not at all pulling out all the stops.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
stating that your using every move in your arsenal pritty clearly states your using a lot of effort.

Logan on the other hand kept his claws in. indecating he was not at all pulling out all the stops.

Weak man. Weak. 😐

Originally posted by Battlehammer
stating that your using every move in your arsenal pritty clearly states your using a lot of effort.

Logan on the other hand kept his claws in. indecating he was not at all pulling out all the stops.

What does claws have to do with pure h2h combat? Echo used all her moves in her arsenal, yes. Moves that the people she got them from use better. Moves that she had to gather all her strength to perform due to her being weak due to fasting for 3 days going on 4. Hmmm. She used alot of effort just to get up.

Originally posted by Switch 07
So to use his full MA abilities he needs blades.

Weak man. Weak. 😐

thats not the point. the point was if Logan was going all out he would have pulled out his claws. he clearly did not feel in danger. he was not the one to initiate the attack. he did not even seem as if he wished to fight at all.

I just don't see that issue displaying echo as a top tier ma fighter

Originally posted by Switch 07
So to use his full MA abilities he needs blades.

Weak man. Weak. 😐

QFT.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats not the point. the point was if Logan was going all out he would have pulled out his claws. he clearly did not feel in danger. he was not the one to initiate the attack. he did not even seem as if he wished to fight at all.

I just don't see that issue displaying echo as a top tier ma fighter

Maybe he just wanted to use his MA abilities.

So your saying, he has become so totally reliant on the claws, anytime he gets a little worried he pulls them out?

.jrodslam I ahve a question for you. Why have you argued that pressure point attacks would work on Logan when in this very issue you have read it failed to work?

Originally posted by Switch 07
Maybe he just wanted to use his MA abilities.

So your saying, he has become so totally reliant on the claws, anytime he gets a little worried he pulls them out?

it a naterual reflex of his. If attack he tends to pull his claws out. sure he does not have to, but if your in the middle of the woods and so one simply attacks you, your gunna pull out your arsenal if think they are a threat which logan obviously did not.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
thats not the point. the point was if Logan was going all out he would have pulled out his claws. he clearly did not feel in danger. he was not the one to initiate the attack. he did not even seem as if he wished to fight at all.

I just don't see that issue displaying echo as a top tier ma fighter

Battlehammer, can you post where anyone states that Wolverine was going all out? Yes Echo initiated. She was weak. There was a time in the fight where Logan went on a offensive spree and all she did was evade and block. SHE DIDNT EAT OR DRINK FOR 3 DAYS!!

That issue imo, The issues where she fights Daredevil and when she fights as Ronin shows her to be up there imo. Plus shes a smarter fighter than Taskmaster to boot. I think all that should count for something.

She has Wolvie's, DD's, Punisher's, Elektra's, Bullseye's and Kingpin's moves. I wonder is she now has Fist's, Caps and others?

though now that I think about it logan does not use weapons on others if they do not pull weapons against him ( or unless they have some crazy powers)

Got the scans coming up.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.jrodslam I ahve a question for you. Why have you argued that pressure point attacks would work on Logan when in this very issue you have read it failed to work?

Ive argued that CERTAIN pressure point attacks would work on Wolvie. Echo didnt learn how to do it. She mimics them. Shes not as good as DD when it comes to that. Plus, its her first time fighting Wolvie. I think if she knew he had a healing factor, maybe shed go for something a bit more effective. Dont you think?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
though now that I think about it logan does not use weapons on others if they do not pull weapons against him ( or unless they have some crazy powers)

He didnt know she had crazy powers. Right?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Battlehammer, can you post where anyone states that Wolverine was going all out? Yes Echo initiated. She was weak. There was a time in the fight where Logan went on a offensive spree and all she did was evade and block. SHE DIDNT EAT OR DRINK FOR 3 DAYS!!

That issue imo, The issues where she fights Daredevil and when she fights as Ronin shows her to be up there imo. Plus shes a smarter fighter than Taskmaster to boot. I think all that should count for something.

She has Wolvie's, DD's, Punisher's, Elektra's, Bullseye's and Kingpin's moves. I wonder is she now has Fist's, Caps and others?

if she has wolverine moves it not many.

3 days that pritty impressive. Logan went a month with out eating and then fought capt and that was after already battling nuke.

I just don't see her feat being that impressive. I mean all she did was fight logan for a little while not long at all. that not enough to give her top tier spot.

as ronin she almost got killed by like 100 hand ninjas. Logan who a top tier fought hundreds and hundreds with out taking damage.

Originally posted by jrodslam
He didnt know she had crazy powers. Right?

no her power really is not that crazy and if he new she had powers he still would have battle her claws in now that I think about it.

also dident echo and logan fight side by side a long time ago?