The Hyuga Clan predated Rikidou Sennin
It was revealed that the Hyuga Clan is Konoha's oldest and greatest bloodline. (Even though the Uchiha and Senju Clan both had reside in Konoha at a time) Also Kakashi mentioned that the Uchiha's origins lie with the Hyuga. A metaphore meaning that the first Uchiha was brought into the 1st generation shinobi world by a Hyuga woman, Rikidou's wife. So now we all know what that means for the next Sage Of The 6 Paths (Naruto)
Originally posted by AuraAngelNo. The Hyuga clan is based around Taijustu and Chakra control, provided with the fact that the first stage of their byakugan is based on Focus & Sensory. Focus that targets the opponent's chakra circulatory system, effectively cutting off the target's Chakra with their taijustu style. (Gentle Fist) which is enough in some cases for the capture or death of a enemy depending on how many chakra points were hit by their Taijustu.
Yep. Clearly a clan based around ninjutsu and chakra control predate the creators of ninjutsu and chakra.
And the Byakugan's sensory is as well as obvious the all seeing white eye, thats unparalleled in vision including telescopic compared to the other Doujustus (Rinnegan) (Sharingan)
Rikidou Sennin was not the creator of Martial arts nor the creator of physical fighting, for self defense or otherwise. Rikidou Sennin was the discovered reality of Ninjustu and Genjustu NOT Taijustu.
Originally posted by Q99
To make myself more clear: Kakashi has no way of knowing who really came first. Much knowledge from back then was explicitly lost, the only reason we know the Sage really was real was the Biju confirmed it.
Back in the day the Sharingan was a tool, much like any other technique. It had its uses but it wasn't necessarily the determining factor of a battle.
It's just recently when Sharingan became the main focus of the story—with the most broken arsenal of sub-techniques that can be used without any hand seals—that the greatness of the Byakugan came into question.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Rikidou Sennin was not the creator of Martial arts nor the creator of physical fighting, for self defense or otherwise. Rikidou Sennin was the discovered reality of Ninjustu and Genjustu NOT Taijustu.
But he defeated the being who was the progenitor of all chakra in the world. Ergo, he predates chakra techniques like Gentle Fist.
But keep in mind that you're using Kakashi's information to say these things. You are aware Kakashi believed the Sage to be nothing more than a myth right?
Originally posted by AstnerIt's a retcon.
Back in the day the Sharingan was a tool, much like any other technique. It had its uses but it wasn't necessarily the determining factor of a battle.
It's just recently when Sharingan became the main focus of the story—with the most broken arsenal of sub-techniques that can be used without any hand seals—that the greatness of the Byakugan came into question.
One would think that with the revelation of the Uzumaki-Senju genetic relation, that the Hyuuga would be shown to have shared a similar genetic relationship with the Uchiha.
Originally posted by Q99You have a point there. but it was confirmed that the Hyuga were around before the Uchiha and Senju. the quote The Hyuga clan is Konoha's Oldest and Greatest Bloodline confirms it which means that they were around before Rikidou Sennin.
To make myself more clear: Kakashi has no way of knowing who really came first. Much knowledge from back then was explicitly lost, the only reason we know the Sage really was real was the Biju confirmed it.
Originally posted by AuraAngelRikidou defeated the Juubi. no one knows how why or when the Juubi was created. the Juubi come before the (shinobi world) but the Hyuga came before Rikidou Sennin.
But he defeated the being who was the progenitor of all chakra in the world. Ergo, he predates chakra techniques like Gentle Fist.But keep in mind that you're using Kakashi's information to say these things. You are aware Kakashi believed the Sage to be nothing more than a myth right?
Originally posted by Star Wars LogicAs much as I love the Hyuuga...there is no proof they were around before Rikidou. They ARE the oldest and greatest bloodline in Konoha...wanna know why. Senju and Uchiha are all but wiped out while they survive. Not to mention they are they most cocky, excluding Hinata. Also Konoha wasn't around until a Senju and Uchiha created it, but that's besides the point I suppose. 😕
You have a point there. but it was confirmed that the Hyuga were around before the Uchiha and Senju. the quote The Hyuga clan is Konoha's Oldest and Greatest Bloodline confirms it which means that they were around before Rikidou Sennin.
Originally posted by KentoYou further proved my point. The Hyuga were said to be Konoha's oldest bloodline even though the Uchiha and Senju both founded Konoha and had reside in Konoha at the same time.
As much as I love the Hyuuga...there is no proof they were around before Rikidou. They ARE the oldest and greatest bloodline in Konoha...wanna know why. Senju and Uchiha are all but wiped out while they survive. Not to mention they are they most cocky, excluding Hinata. Also Konoha wasn't around until a Senju and Uchiha created it, but that's besides the point I suppose. 😕
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic😑 One still exists within Konoha, one is all but died out, and the others bloodline doesn't exist except in distant relatives. Of course Hyuuga are gonna be the oldest bloodline. The villages aren't really that old either
You further proved my point. The Hyuga were said to be Konoha's oldest bloodline even though the Uchiha and Senju both founded Konoha and had reside in Konoha at the same time.
Originally posted by KentoNah my point is. The 2 bloodlines (Uchiha) (Senju) that founded Konoha should have been the oldest and greatest since they were supposed to be the first ones there, but instead the Hyuga were the oldest and greatest bloodline.
😑 One still exists within Konoha, one is all but died out, and the others bloodline doesn't exist except in distant relatives. Of course Hyuuga are gonna be the oldest bloodline. The villages aren't really that old either
Originally posted by Star Wars LogicAs only said by Kakashi, and Hyuuga members, in present day time, when no Senju or Uchiha (except non-plot device Sasuke) are alive in Konoha.
Nah my point is. The 2 bloodlines (Uchiha) (Senju) that founded Konoha should have been the oldest and greatest since they were supposed to be the first ones there, but instead the Hyuga were the greatest bloodline.
Originally posted by Star Wars LogicSource being, that in present time Hyuuga was the strongest clan that came from the start of Konoha in Konoha in the present. Its only ever been used in the present tense never said they have always been the oldest.
True, but Kakashi wouldn't have said that unless he had a source that mentioned the said quote, but who is unknown.
Originally posted by KentoOf course it never said directly that the Hyuga were the oldest. but the Hyuuga being the first clan around will be a known fact after naruto & hinata **** some ****** and start the rebirth of the Uchiha.
Source being, that in present time Hyuuga was the strongest clan that came from the start of Konoha in Konoha in the present. Its only ever been used in the present tense never said they have always been the oldest.