Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by Galan007

For all who are still curious,
Here are the excerpts we are referring to,
from the last page of the latest issue of Exiles:

"The Omniverse ... There are infinite MULTIverseS inside it"

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ONLY Omniverse I know of that has infinite MULTIverseS

is Marvel's Omniverse!!!

Again, props to brother G on this find,
unfortunately, and as expected though,
it's been spun and twisted by a certain intransigent individual.

At this point, I'm sure all see it, for what it is.

Well ... if Galan's find (from the questionnaires addressed to the WRITERS themselves)
wasn't enough for the obtuseness at hand,
perhaps this On Panel corroboration/confirmation will be.

Yet another source from a completely separate Title/Arc/Team ... but from Marvel,
sayin the SAME exact shit as the relevance in Galan's scans:

(Goblin Queen/Beyonder's essence) ... like I said, ONLY Marvel's Omniverse!!!!

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"

"The MultiverseS ...

the Past ... the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

✅

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Hmm ... perhaps just the term MultiverseS on its own isn't enough.

Meh, how's this then ...

"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"

"So much Power in such a small mind ...

we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together ...

Now I will have to do it alone"

whistling

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Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

clearly confirms,

it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

Unless TOAA Created DC the "real World" and all other verseS in other companies,
Marvel MUST have their own Omniverse. 🙂

If you admit that TOAA created DC every other company plus the "Real World" (us)

I'll concede.

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yawn ... this thread, while entertaining in its attempt, has been shut down.

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Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)

ALSO ... clearly confirms,

There you have the Omniverse definition and TOAA's.

Also notice the "New Universe" is just another Marvel Alternate Earth,
interesting when we know it's located withIN ANOTHER Multiverse.
(that's the one Quasar visited)

New Universe

"Alternate Earth (Earth-148611)
on which most superhumans abilities were granted by the STAR BRAND"

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Here's Quasar in ANOTHER Marvel Multiverse OUTISDE the Prime Multiverse.

Quasar interacting with D.L.P. (hero team) OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse in the NEW UNIVERSE:

"in 1986 ... folks began developing paranormal abilities ... it was called STAR BRAND"

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Do not be fooled by intransigence yall,

Quasar WAS OUTSIDE the Prime Multiverse ...
in ANOTHER Multiverse that houses the New Universe (an Alternate Marvel Earth)

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(PROOF) ... 100% Canon ... in the Winter 2007 Official Marvel Handbooks:

The Watcher and Her,
are searching for Quasar who Quantum Jumped out of the 616 Multiverse
into the Multiverse that houses the New Universe.

"He is somewhere Beyond the Mutliverse of Dimensions"

"What's Beyond the Multiverse?"

"Beyond the Multiverse Exists an Omniverse, a Continuum of MultiverseS"

Watcher goes on to say it has never been proven.

But let's proceed.

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"I refuse to believe you (Quasar) are dead, you must be in the Omniverse"

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Quasar returns to the 616 Multiverse

"I know atleast it's the right Multiverse"

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In the end, the Marvel Omniverse is confirmed ON PANEL:

"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

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"You went Outside the Multiverse into the greater Omniverse"

Hmm ... where one of the MANY Marvel "Alternate Earths" (New Universe) are found.

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I don't really need to prove anything,
as the 2007 and 2008 irrefutable UPDATED evidence speaks for itself.

If Marvel is just a single Multiverse,
why is the Ultraverse located in ANOTHER Multiverse?

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gems

"taken by an energy vampire (Rune) from an alternate-reality.
In that other Multiverse, they were collected by Loki"

(This is referring to the Avengers/Ultraforce arc) ... I have the On Panel scans if needed. 🙂

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We know the Ultraverse is One of Marvel's Universes:

(excerpt from the official Marvel handbook 2007)

"Ultraverse - Alternate Earth" (Earth-93060)

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And yet, it's withIN ANOTHER Multiverse withIN Marvel,
so How can Marvel be just a single Multiverse?

crazy

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All those On Panel scans prove that there's a Marvel Omniverse,
there hasn't been One On Panel scan that states Marvel is just a Multiverse,
or Megaverse.

What we do have a plethora of On Panel evidence not only referring to the Omniverse,
but actually artistically depicting (as in illustrated/drawn) not just statements.

In fact, the Marvel Omniverse has even been torn to pieces,
and remade ... this has been ceritifed in separate arcs.

The 2008 bios flat out confirm that Jaspers was going to destroy the entire Omniverse,
in "Die by the Sword" (Winter 2007 arc)
Same arc that describes how Wanda's Chaos Wave
"literally tore the Omniverse to pieces, and rebuilt it"

I ain't just yip yappin, it's all stated On Panel
and corroborated across different arcs.

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An now, we have Galan's findings, that cements everything I've been saying.

How much more intransigent can a person be?

AGAIN:

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Here's the 2008 one! 🙂

Excerpt from Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles bio:

"Insectoid alien explorers discover an observatory outside of space-time,
named ... later the Crystal Palace,
the equipment allowed them to observe every Reality in the Omniverse.

Eventually,
accidentally they caused All Creation (Omniverse) to become displaced"

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So they damaged the entire Omniverse?

But isn't Marvel just a Multiverse? dontgetit

Or did they damage DC, the "real world" and all other companies? 😆

AGAIN!!!

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Official Marvel Handbook clip - 2008 - Exiles BIO ...

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

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So Jaspers was going to destroy DC, all other companies plus the "Real World"

hum

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And HERE is that Omniverse they are talking about On Panel: (artistically illustrated)

(Winter 2007)

The WRITER states:

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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That's the Chaos Wave (Wanda's Reality Warp) they're referring to,
it destroyed the Marvel Omniverse before rebuilding the Omniverse afterwards.

Did the Chaos Wave destroy DC, other companies, and the "Real World"

durznuts

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Close this silly thread duke.

In case this was forgotten in the jumble of yip yaips ... AGAIN!!!

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FIVE On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

not just talk ... it's artistically presented.

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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

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Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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The Living Tribunal in other MulitverseS

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"The LT Exists in ALL MultiverseS simultaneously"

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"Other Shapes to Administer to Other Clusters" (Multiverses)

"Man's Universe (Multiverse)
has it's own Infinite number of variants known as Alternate Universes,
explored by the Watchers, (the Watchers explore the Multiverse)

All these variants share the same Three Spatial Dimensions
and obey roughly the same Laws"

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"There are Universes
whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc,
these all share a commonality of Concepts,
hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

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"Universes ... with lower or higher Dimensions ... are Truly different"

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (MultiverseS)

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The Impossible Man once inadvertantly nearly collapsed the entire Marvel Omniverse.

Galactus had to personally interfere!

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(PROOF)

"Of all the Worlds, in all the infinite Dimensions ...
This presentation of (Earth) is too silly to be allowed to exist ...

There is danger of its madness infecting Other links in the Sidereal Strings ...
and thereby doing irreparable harm ...

to the Fundamental Fabric of the Omniverse."

A barrage of scans intended to intimidate and yet have proven nothing.

My previous posts have dealt with them already and yet you keep reposting them to give the appearance that you are officially backed.

The question of this thread is does Marvel and DC exist within the same omniverse.

Marvel has said yes, they were involved in a crossover with DC, said crossover was confirmed as canon by both companies, via handbook statements and subsequent comic book appearances.

You haven't responded to this direct answer to the question with conclusive proof, there has been no statement from Marvel or DC saying they exist in separate omniverses. That is what you would need to end this thread.

You have tried to say my 2005 handbook statement is outdated.

I answered with this:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ommission doesnt equate to a change of thought.

My bio was a book on dimensions, yours was a small part of a character/team bio. Therefore its common sense that mine would be more in depth on the matter.

If your bio contained a statement stating that Marvel had its own omniverse independent to any other companies, then you'd have justification for highlighting the fact that your bios are a year or two more recent than mine.

As it stands, the point is irrelevant. 🙂

You have made all manner of posts not containing a conclusive statement or depiction of separate omniverses, but ambiguous scenes coupled with your comments on why you think my conclusive statement is stupid.

That is NOT good enough. 😬

Which is why this still stands:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ohhhh so this is what you've been cooking up in your days of absence.

Allow me to respond:

I'm sorry but how exactly have you proved wrong the canon fact that states that Marvel and DC exist within the same omniverse? 😕

You've posted scans of Marvel characters calling themselves protectors of the omniverse, does that prove that DC and Marvel aren't in the same omniverse? ❌

Just means that Marvel has characters who share the same roles as some DC chatacters do.

Quasar according to Eon is the protector of the universe, Captain Marvel according to the Kree is protector, Captain Universe as appointed by the Enigma Force is protector of the universe. The same role is appointed by different parties.

As for your other Exiles point, i said that Marvel is a multiverse within an omniverse just like DC,(a megaverse if you include the likes of New Universe and other such loosely connected realities), Marvel can say whatever it likes about the omniverse because their comics feature their section of the omniverse from a Marvel perspective, however what Marvel cannot do is feature the properties of DC via name or artistic depiction being affected by what changes Marvel has decided to apply to the omniverse in a Marvel comic. That would be a breach of copyright.

The only time Marvel or DC can feature each others properties is with permission from the other and that results in crossovers, a number of which have been stated to be canon.

Roma can say she has numbered every reality in omniverse, does that mean that Marvel and DC arent in the same omniverse? ❌

Its her preogative to do that because of the role she has from a Marvel perspective, however what she may call Earth 16781, a DC resident might simply call Earth S.

The main Marvel multiverse is the name given to describe all of the marvel realities that share the traditional hierarchy of the abstracts. [B]Some writers consider each of these realities to be a multiverse unto themselves, why? Because look at Eternity 616 for example, associated with him you have other dimensions such as Asgard, Mephistos realm, the Negative Zone, hyperspace where the Celestials come from snd others. All of those alternate dimensions associated with Eternity 616. However other Eternitys have their same versions of Asgard, Negative Zone etc associated with them however they are still generally deemed universes and all of them together are deemed the Marvel multiverse.

That is why you will get the occassional writer referring to "the multiverses" such as featured in about two of your scans, yet despite that all of those realms are deemed The Marvel multiverse.

An omniverse as stated by Marvel is the name given for ALL realities literally. The Marvel multiverse despite debatably being composed of many pseudo multiverses itself is not an omniverse. By canon the DC multiverse exists within the same creation as Marvel, yet the two companies properties are separate however as i posted earlier occassionally their is a "bleeding over" of the two companies that results in canon crossovers.

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altuhb2005streetsamuraids2.jpg

Therefore despite the vastness of Marvels collection of realities it is not an omniverse unto itself because Dc exists within the same creation and DC and Marvels collections of realities are quite separate. [/B]

So you can keep posting scans of a character talking of multiple multiverses within Marvel, does that prove me wrong or change Marvels official statement? ❌

Multiple multiverses do NOT equate to an omniverse, an omniverse is everything and given that JLA/Avengers is canon, Marvel can NOT be an omniverse unto itself.

You can post scans of characters talking about potentially being able to destroy or affect the omniverse, but does that change Marvels statement? ❌

Marvel can do what it wants say what it wants with regards to the omniverse, just as long as they don't feature another comic book companies property by reference or artistic depiction.

I've even directed you to a portion on Marvel.com and the Handbook writers talking of the matter on marvunapp.com and agreeing they are within the same omniverse but saying they don't interact all of the time due to the legal implications and thats its only through agreed crossovers that they can.

Your whole argument is opinion based. Parading around scans and interpreting them to suit your argument doesn't change a thing.

My argument is based on a direct conclusive statement from Marvel. It is based on Handbooks referring to crossovers and canon comic books featuring the events of said crossovers.

What you have shown is not good enough. 😬

No more scans that you have interpreted to prove your point. Please show me a direct statement answering the question.

I can and have provided such a statement. Good luck finding yours. 🙂

GS gets Bill O'Reilly's Stam of Disapproval
what is the #1 cardinal rule ?

though i myself am more a liberal

The self proclaimed Master down to a T:

Originally posted by id369
I believe Mr. Master is following this notation.
[B]The debate is in and of itself not a method of generating truth, it is a method of generating agreement. Which is why rhetoric is a useful tool in a debate, because its not about truth... ever its about being convincing, something that is accomplished by informational control manipulationa and interpretation. - Pipboy [/B]

Can you please show me a conclusive statement on the matter. Something stating that the two comic book companies have separate omniverses.

Don't wanna see a barrage of scans which do nothing but look pretty on my monitor.

Show me a statement from Marvel

Show me a statement from the handbook writers refuting their comments on their website

Show me a comment from DC saying they were on 😮‍💨 when they decided to bring the events of the crossover into their JLA title.

Once again i wish you good luck on your search.

But until then, this is pretty much done and dusted. 🙂

Good day to you wavey

i love it
NO ONE agrees with him
everyone says he's wrong
but he's proclaiming victory

Originally posted by 123KID
i love it
NO ONE agrees with him
everyone says he's wrong
but he's proclaiming victory

Everyone? 😬

I think you better read the first few pages, back before this thread was (Mr)masterfully 😖hifty: turned into a spamfest. 🙂

How's the search going mate? 😕

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How's the search going mate? 😕

How about today? 😕

Out of interest GS where is your Official Statement from Marvel ore DC, that claims they share the same Omniverse???

Originally posted by Utrigita
Out of interest GS where is your Official Statement from Marvel ore DC, that claims they share the same Omniverse???

I posted a statement from Marvels handbook on alternate dimensions stating that the omniverse isn't made up solely of Marvels collection of realities but also those of other comic book companies.

I posted Handbooks referring to the events of the crossover therefore marking it as canon.

I linked to comments from Handbook writers on Marvel.com referring to crossovers and how DC characters outside of a crossover aren't permitted to be explicitly referenced or depicted due to copyright.

I linked to Marvunapp, the site of the handbook writers where they also stated that Marvels collection of realities exists in the same creation as DC's.

I posted scans of the JLA/Avengers crossovers storyline continuing into the JLA title making it canon for DC.

None of this has been disputed by a subsequent official source from either company.

I've had the thread spammed with comic book scans with omniversal references within them, followed by Mr Masters OPINION on how they prove the official statement wrong, but thats really not good enough.

Once again i wish him the best of luck on his search. cheers

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I posted a statement from Marvels handbook on alternate dimensions stating that the omniverse isn't made up solely of Marvels collection of realities but also those of other comic book companies.

I posted Handbooks referring to the events of the crossover therefore marking it as canon.

I linked to comments from Handbook writers on Marvel.com referring to crossovers and how DC characters outside of a crossover aren't permitted to be explicitly referenced or depicted due to copyright.

I linked to Marvunapp, the site of the handbook writers where they also stated that Marvels collection of realities exists in the same creation as DC's.

I posted scans of the JLA/Avengers crossovers storyline continuing into the JLA title making it canon for DC.

None of this has been disputed by a subsequent official source from either company.

I've had the thread spammed with comic book scans with omniversal references within them, followed by Mr Masters OPINION on how they prove the official statement wrong, but thats really not good enough.

Once again i wish him the best of luck on his search. cheers

I'm sure you wish him the best of luck 😉.

Yet how it is that you handbooks is correct and masters wrong???

And Please don't say because Presence and TOAA are the same, then the scan isn't usuable.

And how will you explain marvels own site where it states that things that occur in the 616 reality are having omniversal significans, by Marvels own diffinition it would mean that things that occur in Marvel will have effect in oure world.