Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In your opinion, Thanos is a retard that goes into fights where he is outclassed without his shields. He'll draw on his power from his ships to attack Odin with, but not on any personal shields for defense. And he'll do this in a fight where you conclude Thanos is not trying to injure Odin and only trying to hold out until Odin listens to him. Irony. As much effort as he had while chastizing Thor or Tyr or picking on some hapless Frost Giant. Thanos wouldn't stand for being tossed around and pummeled if he could help it. Whether you believe Thanos wanted to win or not, he wouldn't stand for the indignity.
So it's your opinion that you try and kill or ko someone you're seeking help from? Come on ODG you're better than that. That is a common theme in comics all the time…. someone not really wanting to fight someone else, but being forced to fight and take punishment in the hopes they will listen. You haven't seen this theme in comics before? Was Thanos not seeking help from Odin and wanting him to listen to him? Was his concern Thor and him breaking free and not being able to control him? All question are an undisputable YES. Yet you think Thanos wanted to KO Odin and this would help him accomplish that goal… Common sense man. As I said, I do agree that Thanos was trying though, don't get me wrong there. He wouldn't just get slapped around and take it. He was trying, just not going all out.
Help from his ship to attack Odin… what are you referring to? Regardless, as we've gone over before… There was zero shielding implied, stated or shown on panel. That leaves the proof clearly in my corner. With your proof being conjecture and speculation. That is undisputable, unless of course you have a special comic nobody else has seen. As i said, you still believe Thanos has his shields up even when Thing and Hulk hit him and the art shows it hit him square in the face.. your explanation… well his shields allow this to happen so he can get in close for h2h lol. You reference Doom shielding as an example. I dare you to find any reference to Thanos shielding being the same as doom. I also dare you to find any proof that states this is the case with Thanos shields. I also dare you to find any proof that states Thanos shields are always up. You will find none. Therefore we conclude all your doing is speculating and that is being generous. His shields block a blast from galactus and omega… yet can't block one punch from Thing or Hulk.. yet can clearly block shots from champion with the PG.. Amusing.
Originally posted by Starscream MWell, you appear to be the only poster thus far who derived some sort of connotation from the word that the rest of us didn't, so rather than not being idiomatic, I'd suggest that your interpretation of the word was simply incorrect.
dictionary definitions don't always account for idiomatic usage. ODG's usage was unidiomatic.
That's neither here nor there though.
Or what ODG said. You're unidiomatic. uhuh
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt's my opinion that Thanos went all-out and was smart enough to know that it wouldn't endanger Odin's life. You presume it would endanger Odin's life, hence your incredulity. But by then, you've assumed your conclusion. Thanos didn't drop his guard down unlike Cap did when Beast was mind-controlled and allowed his assault. Thanos attacking Odin is dispositive of the idea of Thanos dropping his own guard down. I don't delude myself into thinking Thanos has a chance of killing Odin all things considered equal. You do. But if you've assumed that, then you're acting with a preconception that will require you to justify Thanos was holding back before engaging in any debate. That's a fallacy.
So it's your opinion that you try and kill or ko someone you're seeking help from? Come on ODG you're better than that. That is a common theme in comics all the time…. someone not really wanting to fight someone else, but being forced to fight and take punishment in the hopes they will listen. You haven't seen this theme in comics before? Was Thanos not seeking help from Odin and wanting him to listen to him? Was his concern Thor and him breaking free and not being able to control him? All question are an undisputable YES. Yet you think Thanos wanted to KO Odin and this would help him accomplish that goal… Common sense man. As I said, I do agree that Thanos was trying though, don't get me wrong there. He wouldn't just get slapped around and take it. He was trying, just not going all out.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhen Odin mentioned that Thanos was drawing on a dark power source. I've already proven to you that shields don't have to be drawn or referenced for them to be in use. It affronts common sense that Thanos was tanking Odin's attacks whilst attacking Odin, in an effort to convince Odin that he meant no harm, when he could have tanked them better with his shields, not retaliate against Odin at all and still achieve that effect better. He was fighting him to gain his undivided attention and test his own limits. He's not of the personality type to get tossed around if he can help it, whether he expected to win a fight or not.
Help from his ship to attack Odin… what are you referring to? Regardless, as we've gone over before… There was zero shielding implied, stated or shown on panel. That leaves the proof clearly in my corner. With your proof being conjecture and speculation. That is undisputable, unless of course you have a special comic nobody else has seen. As i said, you still believe Thanos has his shields up even when Thing and Hulk hit him and the art shows it hit him square in the face.. your explanation… well his shields allow this to happen so he can get in close for h2h lol. You reference Doom shielding as an example. I dare you to find any reference to Thanos shielding being the same as doom. I also dare you to find any proof that states this is the case with Thanos shields. I also dare you to find any proof that states Thanos shields are always up. You will find none. Therefore we conclude all your doing is speculating and that is being generous. His shields block a blast from galactus and omega… yet can't block one punch from Thing or Hulk.. yet can clearly block shots from champion with the PG.. Amusing.
You've gotten it backwards. I already proved that Thanos' shields are not depicted the same in every fight by all his artists. I've also proven that characters' shielding can be depicted as disks, globes and by nothing at all. I've also proven that the appearance of physical contact is not dispositive of shielding. Based on that and Angel Medina's predilection for not depicting shields, and Thanos' motivations for fighting with Odin, I've sustained my burden that it's unlikely that Thanos purposely dropped his shields. I'm not going to go one step further and prove a negative, that Thanos isn't a special exception to this. You have to prove that he is a special exception or that Thanos dropped his shields. You haven't done so.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's my opinion that Thanos went all-out and was smart enough to know that it wouldn't endanger Odin's life. You presume it would endanger Odin's life, hence your incredulity. But by then, you've assumed your conclusion. Thanos didn't drop his guard down unlike Cap did when Beast was mind-controlled and allowed his assault. Thanos attacking Odin is dispositive of the idea of Thanos dropping his own guard down. I don't delude myself into thinking Thanos has a chance of killing Odin all things considered equal. You do. But if you've assumed that, then you're acting with a preconception that will require you to justify Thanos was holding back before engaging in any debate. That's a fallacy. When Odin mentioned that Thanos was drawing on a dark power source. I've already proven to you that shields don't have to be drawn or referenced for them to be in use. It affronts common sense that Thanos was tanking Odin's attacks whilst attacking Odin, in an effort to convince Odin that he meant no harm, when he could have tanked them better with his shields, not retaliate against Odin at all and still achieve that effect better. He was fighting him to gain his undivided attention and test his own limits. He's not of the personality type to get tossed around if he can help it, whether he expected to win a fight or not.You've gotten it backwards. I already proved that Thanos' shields are not depicted the same in every fight by all his artists. I've also proven that characters' shielding can be depicted as disks, globes and by nothing at all. I've also proven that the appearance of physical contact is not dispositive of shielding. Based on that and Angel Medina's predilection for not depicting shields, and Thanos' motivations for fighting with Odin, I've sustained my burden that it's unlikely that Thanos purposely dropped his shields. I'm not going to go one step further and prove a negative, that Thanos isn't a special exception to this. You have to prove that he is a special exception or that Thanos dropped his shields. You haven't done so.
Now stop dodging and answer my questions with proof. You're using other people's shields as a reference to what shields can do and then assuming Thanos can. Back it up. Any kind of proof to what I asked would be sufficient but we both know you have nothing but speculation, conjecture and leaps of faith. We've seen Thanos specifically CALL on his shields i.e. in the Galactus instance. We seen Galactus firing and continuous blast which Thanos is shown blocking and not getting through. Yet each and every blast Odin fires… is shown getting through and hitting Thanos. So.. your conclusion is one minor attack from Odin broke his shields and is > greater than a continuous blast from Galactus that is shown not to and it specifically mentions them BEING BROKE. Come on man.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Stupid faulty scanners. They measure shields dropping, but I can't see any shields. Somebody must have screwed up. Don't they know how to draw a comic book?
Horrible logic. Thanos fires a blast that looks like A... that means anybody who fires a blast can and does look like A as well... Laughable. Prove Thanos shields are always up. ANY PROOF stating this or implying this. ANY. Any proof that somebody who has shields that allow people to strike them but they are still up, are the same as Thanos's. ANY PROOF. I will be waiting for proof that will never come.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiFeel free to quote me where I said anything along those lines.
Horrible logic. Thanos fires a blast that looks like A... that means anybody who fires a blast can and does look like A as well... Laughable.
I'm simply presenting a possibility.
Your strawman fallacy, on the other hand, truly is laughable.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiStraw-man. I'm illustrating a common comic book artistry fact. I'm not equating Doom's shields to Thanos'. I don't have to. They're both comic book characters that use forcefields. Fact. They're both comic book characters that have had their forcefields drawn differently from artist to artist. Fact. I'm not going to indulge your straw-manning. As for the rest, you're misunderstanding or misrepresenting my position. The Hulk's/Thing's hits aren't going through shields. They're hitting the shields. But that doesn't mean that their physical bodies won't move in tandem with the shield moving. You've already seen examples of this.
You see this is where you're totally off base… You have shown OTHER characters have been hit through their shields, so that they can engage in close h2h combat. You even referenced Doom as an example. However, what I want is a reference to this being the case with Thanos shields. You don't have that and thus your argument is failing. You could support it with a mention of Thanos shields being similar to Dooms shielding. Yet you have nothing of the sort. So your stance is continuing to fail. You have zero reference to Thanos shields being that way nor any reference to any characters who shields work that way being similar to Thanos's. Yet we have seen Thanos shields specifically block punching attacks and never reach him. Proven on panel. We have ZERO reference to punching attacks getting through because his shields allowed them to. The proof is considerably in my corner. The only proof you have that I agree with is that sometimes Thanos shields aren't shown or drawn. I agree. Yet in each of those instances his shields were specifically mentioned. Your argument is… Well we see shields in comics do this.. thus Thanos must do that as well… Or well we don't see his shields… sometimes we don't see shields in comics.. thus they must always be there.. huh? These are laughable ODG and a horrible premise and conclusion on both counts. You're honestly a lot better than that.
The only laughable premise is that you think Thanos was allowing Odin to beat on his person with dropped shields with the common comic book device: "If I don't fight, maybe opponent X will come to his senses and not see me as a threat." Except... that's a complete misapplication as Thanos was actually attacking Odin and goading Odin. Why would he completely drop his personal shields but draw on his ships for attacking power only? Simple answer, he wouldn't. Especially because Thanos' personality would not permit him to get flung about ignominiously if he could help it by drawing on his shields. That's two reasons why Thanos wouldn't drop his shields intentionally combined with the fact that it's not mentioned that he dropped his shields intentionally combined with the fact that Angel Medina doesn't draw personal shielding.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI've also pointed to Thanos' shields being depicted differently in addition to other characters' shields being depicted differently to prove that comic book artists don't draw shields the way you wish them to. That's comic book fact. And Thanos is a comic book character the same as any other whose subject to the whims of artists. This has been backed up several times. You want to argue that Thanos is a special exception. Prove that there is some editorial mandate that requires his shields to always be depicted, otherwise if they're not, then he turned them off. Especially in a fight against an opponent like Odin or Tyrant.
Now stop dodging and answer my questions with proof. You're using other people's shields as a reference to what shields can do and then assuming Thanos can. Back it up. Any kind of proof to what I asked would be sufficient but we both know you have nothing but speculation, conjecture and leaps of faith. We've seen Thanos specifically CALL on his shields i.e. in the Galactus instance. We seen Galactus firing and continuous blast which Thanos is shown blocking and not getting through. Yet each and every blast Odin fires… is shown getting through and hitting Thanos. So.. your conclusion is one minor attack from Odin broke his shields and is > greater than a continuous blast from Galactus that is shown not to and it specifically mentions them BEING BROKE. Come on man.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Straw-man. I'm illustrating a common comic book artistry fact. I'm not equating Doom's shields to Thanos'. I don't have to. They're both comic book characters that use forcefields. Fact. They're both comic book characters that have had their forcefields drawn differently from artist to artist. Fact. I'm not going to indulge your straw-manning. As for the rest, you're misunderstanding or misrepresenting my position. The Hulk's/Thing's hits aren't going through shields. They're hitting the shields. But that doesn't mean that their physical bodies won't move in tandem with the shield moving. You've already seen examples of this.The only laughable premise is that you think Thanos was allowing Odin to beat on his person with dropped shields with the common comic book device: "If I don't fight, maybe opponent X will come to his senses and not see me as a threat." Except... that's a complete misapplication as Thanos was actually attacking Odin and goading Odin. Why would he completely drop his personal shields but draw on his ships for attacking power only? Simple answer, he wouldn't. Especially because Thanos' personality would not permit him to get flung about ignominiously if he could help it by drawing on his shields. That's two reasons why Thanos wouldn't drop his shields intentionally combined with the fact that it's not mentioned that he dropped his shields intentionally combined with the fact that Angel Medina doesn't draw personal shielding.I've also pointed to Thanos' shields being depicted differently in addition to other characters' shields being depicted differently to prove that comic book artists don't draw shields the way you wish them to. That's comic book fact. And Thanos is a comic book character the same as any other whose subject to the whims of artists. This has been backed up several times. You want to argue that Thanos is a special exception. Prove that there is some editorial mandate that requires his shields to always be depicted, otherwise if they're not, then he turned them off. Especially in a fight against an opponent like Odin or Tyrant.
So you typed all this instead of simply saying you have NO PROOF. Your premise and conclusion are simply laugable ODG. Thanos has shields... Other comic book characters has shields... shields are drawn differently.. This is the best you can do odg? That is like me saying... Thanos fires energy blasts.. comic book characters fire energy blasts... not all energy blasts are drawn the same.. Thus they have the same characteristics? NO... one wouldn't come to that conclusion. Not all energy blasts are the same.. another comic book fact.. just as all shields aren't the same. I honestly can't believe this is the best you can do to prove you point. Well actually I'm not surprised as you have no proof what so ever to what you claim. We can leave it at this.. you feel it is a possibility Thanos has his shields up during the Odin fight but have zero proof of such. You have zero proof that Thanos shields work the same as any character you reference that physcially (reach his body) can be hit by the Thing for example yet their shields be up. You have zero proof of any kind that Thanos shields work this way that compares to anybody's shields that does. All you had to say is you think it's a possibility and I wouldn't have argued. You stated it was a fact Thanos had his shields up and that is when I had to call you bluff. It's been called on and you came back with.. Thanos has shields.. comic book characters have shields... not all shields are drawn the same... LOL LOL. Next time just say it's a possibility and not a fact and I won't have to come here and make you prove something you can't.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Feel free to quote me where I said anything along those lines.I'm simply presenting a possibility.
Your strawman fallacy, on the other hand, truly is laughable.
Strawman.. Ummmm nope it wasn't. So.. let me get this straight.. you put up that scan to mention a possibility? Show one one place you either implied or stated that is why you were showing said scan.. What's worse is previous ot your useless post.. I already said sometimes artists haven't drawn Thanos shields.. Thus, you further felt the need to post this is a possibility.. ummmm ok. Try and follow along next time.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSure it was. You rephrase my post incorrectly to portray something that you can counter, go on to do so, and then act as if you've actually established any ground. Strawmanning.
Strawman.. Ummmm nope it wasn't.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou're actually challenging for proof of the intention of scan showing? I just told you why I showed them, and pointed out that your interpretation of my argument is groundless given what the post actually says. I can't help that your only programmed response to hearing that you're wrong is to immediately jump to a marginally more intelligible argument than "No U!", but I don't see the need to humor this any longer when I've already explained the purpose of four rather basic lines that I wrote.
So.. let me get this straight.. you put up that scan to mention a possibility? Show one one place you either implied or stated that is why you were showing said scan..
Regardless, none of this changes the content of the scan showing, and all that you've done is followed your Strawman Fallacy with a Tu Quoque Fallacy. Thanks for the waste of time.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What's worse is previous ot your useless post..
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI simply don't understand why you are objecting so vociferously. We are already dealing with a situation where artistic license freely depicts/doesn't depict shields. So what evidence are you asking for? Whether you ignore Thanos' obvious motivations while fighting Odin, it's clear that Thanos was pushing himself in his fight against Tyrant. He literally stated as much. Yet, there was zero evidence that Thanos had his shields up against Tyrant by your logic and continual tunnel-vision on artist depiction. Are you now arguing that Thanos didn't use any shields against Tyrant?
So you typed all this instead of simply saying you have NO PROOF. Your premise and conclusion are simply laugable ODG. Thanos has shields... Other comic book characters has shields... shields are drawn differently.. This is the best you can do odg? That is like me saying... Thanos fires energy blasts.. comic book characters fire energy blasts... not all energy blasts are drawn the same.. Thus they have the same characteristics? NO... one wouldn't come to that conclusion. Not all energy blasts are the same.. another comic book fact.. just as all shields aren't the same. I honestly can't believe this is the best you can do to prove you point. Well actually I'm not surprised as you have no proof what so ever to what you claim. We can leave it at this.. you feel it is a possibility Thanos has his shields up during the Odin fight but have zero proof of such. You have zero proof that Thanos shields work the same as any character you reference that physcially (reach his body) can be hit by the Thing for example yet their shields be up. You have zero proof of any kind that Thanos shields work this way that compares to anybody's shields that does. All you had to say is you think it's a possibility and I wouldn't have argued. You stated it was a fact Thanos had his shields up and that is when I had to call you bluff. It's been called on and you came back with.. Thanos has shields.. comic book characters have shields... not all shields are drawn the same... LOL LOL. Next time just say it's a possibility and not a fact and I won't have to come here and make you prove something you can't.
(i) I've proven that shields can be drawn and not drawn. We agree on that. (ii) I've even proven that shields can not be drawn while they are still up. We agree on that. (iii) I've gone further and proven that what appears to be physical contact upon skin/armor isn't actually physical contact. I don't know if you dispute this, but you shouldn't. (iv) I have proven that Thanos wasn't in a just-beat-me-up-til-you-understand mode by virtue of his attacks/antagonizations of Odin. I hope you don['t disagree on that. (v) I have reminded you of Thanos' character propensity for not allowing himself to be batted around if he can help it. You haven't disagreed. (vi) I have continually pointed you that Angel Medina doesn't really draw shields. You haven't disagreed. (vii) I have analogized the visual/narrative absence of shields in both the Odin and Tyrant fights. You haven't disagreed.
Just because you ignore common comic book artistry whims, specific plot, character propensity, the actual artist, common sense and analogous situations doesn't mean that I don't have a point. Thanos isn't an idiot. He wouldn't have dropped his shields purposely in a fight against a superior opponent. And if he had, it more likely would have been mentioned.
In the meantime, your point is: "Thanos did even better than you give him credit for because Thanos in his fights against superior opponents goes in like a retard without his shields and countenances being blasted all over the place." Sorry, but I think I'm giving Thanos his due credit without compromising his character. You can aggrandize him all you want, but if it's at the expense of common sense, I won't find it convincing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I simply don't understand why you are objecting so vociferously. We are already dealing with a situation where artistic license freely depicts/doesn't depict shields. So what evidence are you asking for? Whether you ignore Thanos' obvious motivations while fighting Odin, it's clear that Thanos was pushing himself in his fight against Tyrant. He literally stated as much. Yet, there was zero evidence that Thanos had his shields up against Tyrant by your logic and continual tunnel-vision on artist depiction. Are you now arguing that Thanos didn't use any shields against Tyrant?[b](i)
I've proven that shields can be drawn and not drawn. We agree on that. (ii) I've even proven that shields can not be drawn while they are still up. We agree on that. (iii) I've gone further and proven that what appears to be physical contact upon skin/armor isn't actually physical contact. I don't know if you dispute this, but you shouldn't. (iv) I have proven that Thanos wasn't in a just-beat-me-up-til-you-understand mode by virtue of his attacks/antagonizations of Odin. I hope you don['t disagree on that. (v) I have reminded you of Thanos' character propensity for not allowing himself to be batted around if he can help it. You haven't disagreed. (vi) I have continually pointed you that Angel Medina doesn't really draw shields. You haven't disagreed. (vii) I have analogized the visual/narrative absence of shields in both the Odin and Tyrant fights. You haven't disagreed.Just because you ignore common comic book artistry whims, specific plot, character propensity, the actual artist, common sense and analogous situations doesn't mean that I don't have a point. Thanos isn't an idiot. He wouldn't have dropped his shields purposely in a fight against a superior opponent. And if he had, it more likely would have been mentioned.
In the meantime, your point is: "Thanos did even better than you give him credit for because Thanos in his fights against superior opponents goes in like a retard without his shields and countenances being blasted all over the place." Sorry, but I think I'm giving Thanos his due credit without compromising his character. You can aggrandize him all you want, but if it's at the expense of common sense, I won't find it convincing. [/B]
You're right on some accounts ODG.. I don't disagree with some of what you've posted, but then again I've already said this before. Our main contention is No. 3 of your list. You have NOT proven Thanos shields allow for something to strike him yet his shields are still up. You have failed to provide ANY evidence that Thanos shields work this way. I dare you to find any narration that says anything like what you're claiming. If you try and bring somebody else shields up, and how they work, then yet again that will be terrible logic on your part. Not all shields work the same for everybody. Fact. Thus I want specific proof that Thanos shields work this way. What we have seen ON PANEL is thanos SPECIFICALLY call upon his shields. Sometimes even changing his shielding from 1 to 3. On Panel. So what we have proof of without doubt is Thanos can all upon his shields, thus not always being up. We also have proof Thanos shields vary thus not always the same. What I'm asking of you is ANY narration that says Thanos shields are always up. You can't and won't provide it because ti doesn't exist. However, what we've also seen ON PANEL… is Thanos shields blocking strikes and energy blasts without them touching him. Fact. The Champion incident is very clear in this regard. We clearly see his shields and nothing is touching him. You maintain without a single ounce of proof that when strikes from the Things are artistically shown to strike Thanos.. that his shields weren't breached.. yet they allowed the strikes to make it through. I ask you for any kind of proof of this, and you provided zero. The simple answer is he doesn't need his shielding against The Thing or Hulk and thus doesn't employ them. Very simple and logically. Nobody is arguing that shields are always drawn we agree… yet even in those instances…. they are specifically mentioned. What it comes down to ODG, is you have zero proof for No.3 and that it applies to Thanos shielding. You can't provide one shred of evidence to support this premise. It's common sense that when Thing smacks Thanos and his head moves and he makes he noise it made contact.. there was no shielding. You can't assume he does.. based on others shielding working that way. It goes against the whole premise of a damn shield. WHy have shielding if strikes still hit you lol. It's kinda silly you're pushing this point odg.
Furthermore, you want an explanation about why Thanos would test himself against Tyrant and yet not employ his shields.. I think the simple answer is just what you already said.. he is testing his OWN might not relying on tech. Tyrant didn't employ any shielding and thus why couldn't it also be that Thanos decided to engage him man to man. Powers on power.. strength on strength. He never once called upon any other tech to fight Odin or Tyrant so why couldn’t it be that he was just engaging them without using his shields since they were using no tech. Seems very reasonable and Thanos character to do so.
Look man, I will honestly drop it at this… If you concede that you have no clue that Thanos had his shields up against Odin that is good enough for me. You can believe he did.. but if you agree that, that is only a possibility and not a fact and you have zero proof he was using shields.. That is good enough for me. I believe he wasn't… but of course it is possible he was. Fair enough?
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Sure it was. You rephrase my post incorrectly to portray something that you can counter, go on to do so, and then act as if you've actually established any ground. Strawmanning.You're actually challenging for proof of the intention of scan showing? I just told you why I showed them, and pointed out that your interpretation of my argument is groundless given what the post actually says. I can't help that your only programmed response to hearing that you're wrong is to immediately jump to a marginally more intelligible argument than "No U!", but I don't see the need to humor this any longer when I've already explained the purpose of four rather basic lines that I wrote.
Regardless, none of this changes the content of the scan showing, and all that you've done is followed your Strawman Fallacy with a Tu Quoque Fallacy. Thanks for the waste of time.
What follows from here is nothing other than misdirection, replies to nothing actually relevant to the debate and is really just ad hominem/pooh pooh fallacies.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Strawman.. Ummmm nope it wasn't. So.. let me get this straight.. you put up that scan to mention a possibility? Show one one place you either implied or stated that is why you were showing said scan.. What's worse is previous ot your useless post.. I already said sometimes artists haven't drawn Thanos shields.. Thus, you further felt the need to post this is a possibility.. ummmm ok. Try and follow along next time.
Now see the above is the WHOLE sentence that you failed to quote. The reason why you failed to quote the whole post, is because it made you look like a fool. I already said artist don't always draw his shields as everybody can clearly see before you posted this. Fact. So it was rather ironic that you "claim" to have posted this to illustrate a possibility... So it seems I was spot on in my assessment.... you didn't follow along with our argument to know I already knew this and stated this. What's even funnier is you claim this was a Ad Hominem... again not even close. You honestly need to learn your fallacies before trying to use them like ODG. That wasn't a Ad Hominem in the least.
^ I learned using fallacies from Original Smurph. True story...
... not really. dur
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI don't have to prove that Thanos' shields allow for the semblance of personal contact. It's just what happens with comic book shields and a complete by-product of artist whimsy, not writer design. You're still straw-manning me. Just because Doom's, Iron Patriot's and Extremis Ironman's shields have worked that way, doesn't make their shield design specifics any more or less similar. It's still all completely different tech. Stop straw-manning.
You're right on some accounts ODG.. I don't disagree with some of what you've posted, but then again I've already said this before. Our main contention is No. 3 of your list. You have NOT proven Thanos shields allow for something to strike him yet his shields are still up. You have failed to provide ANY evidence that Thanos shields work this way. I dare you to find any narration that says anything like what you're claiming. If you try and bring somebody else shields up, and how they work, then yet again that will be terrible logic on your part. Not all shields work the same for everybody. Fact. Thus I want specific proof that Thanos shields work this way. What we have seen ON PANEL is thanos SPECIFICALLY call upon his shields. Sometimes even changing his shielding from 1 to 3. On Panel. So what we have proof of without doubt is Thanos can all upon his shields, thus not always being up. We also have proof Thanos shields vary thus not always the same. What I'm asking of you is ANY narration that says Thanos shields are always up. You can't and won't provide it because ti doesn't exist. However, what we've also seen ON PANEL… is Thanos shields blocking strikes and energy blasts without them touching him. Fact. The Champion incident is very clear in this regard. We clearly see his shields and nothing is touching him. You maintain without a single ounce of proof that when strikes from the Things are artistically shown to strike Thanos.. that his shields weren't breached.. yet they allowed the strikes to make it through. I ask you for any kind of proof of this, and you provided zero. The simple answer is he doesn't need his shielding against The Thing or Hulk and thus doesn't employ them. Very simple and logically. Nobody is arguing that shields are always drawn we agree… yet even in those instances…. they are specifically mentioned. What it comes down to ODG, is you have zero proof for No.3 and that it applies to Thanos shielding. You can't provide one shred of evidence to support this premise. It's common sense that when Thing smacks Thanos and his head moves and he makes he noise it made contact.. there was no shielding. You can't assume he does.. based on others shielding working that way. It goes against the whole premise of a damn shield. WHy have shielding if strikes still hit you lol. It's kinda silly you're pushing this point odg.Furthermore, you want an explanation about why Thanos would test himself against Tyrant and yet not employ his shields.. I think the simple answer is just what you already said.. he is testing his OWN might not relying on tech. Tyrant didn't employ any shielding and thus why couldn't it also be that Thanos decided to engage him man to man. Powers on power.. strength on strength. He never once called upon any other tech to fight Odin or Tyrant so why couldn’t it be that he was just engaging them without using his shields since they were using no tech. Seems very reasonable and Thanos character to do so.
Look man, I will honestly drop it at this… If you concede that you have no clue that Thanos had his shields up against Odin that is good enough for me. You can believe he did.. but if you agree that, that is only a possibility and not a fact and you have zero proof he was using shields.. That is good enough for me. I believe he wasn't… but of course it is possible he was. Fair enough?
Your reliance on the Champion incident is equally pointless. I can show you incidents where Doom's forcefield was depicted as a globe and Captain Britain was punching it. Contrasting that with Sentry punching Doom's shield and it seemingly making physical contact doesn't require you to conclude that he employed a different forcefield design. It's just artist's choice.
You seriously think Thanos didn't employ personal shielding against Tyrant either? Ridiculous. He was nearly killed by Tyrant. Thanos went into both of those fights testing his might against their's in full-fledged fights. You're assuming he dropped his own personal shields, utilized full attacks (and even in the Tyrant fight, an amped attack) and specifically dropped his personal durability enhancements, i.e., forcefields? If he wanted to drop all extra durability, then why not remove his damn body armor? So now... both fights were tests of how much his body armor could take?
This is an exceptionally ridiculous aggrandization of Thanos at the expense of common sense. I can equally argue that Odin purposefully lowered his might to a miniscule amount (because there isn't any proof he didn't) assuming it would be enough to beat Thanos. But this would be just a facile and self-serving attempt to aggrandize Odin. So I won't argue it. Because it's preposterous. Just as this myth that Thanos purposefully dropped all forcefields against Tyrant and Odin is. Thanos isn't an idiot.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi😂
Now see the above is the WHOLE sentence that you failed to quote. The reason why you failed to quote the whole post, is because it made you look like a fool. I already said artist don't always draw his shields as everybody can clearly see before you posted this. Fact. So it was rather ironic that you "claim" to have posted this to illustrate a possibility... So it seems I was spot on in my assessment.... you didn't follow along with our argument to know I already knew this and stated this. What's even funnier is you claim this was a Ad Hominem... again not even close. You honestly need to learn your fallacies before trying to use them like ODG. That wasn't a Ad Hominem in the least.
Oh, please.
Firstly you misinterpreted my post rather terribly. Subsequent to realizing this, you've attempted to speak negatively upon me for simply reinforcing a point with further scans. This had absolutely zero negative effect upon me nor upon the points raised about Thanos' shield, and were all simply something that I posted as an afterthought to reading the tail end of your debate.
That's it. Straight forward. None of that speaks negatively of me nor did it impact the debate negatively. You, however, jumped the gun, and in one fell swoop, demonstrated terrible reading comprehension and triggered this debacle.
So no, my taking ten seconds of my time to reinforce a point is not ironic. It's simple, straight forward, and, all in all, rather harmless.
If you would take a second to cease being so butt hurt over the point in question and thereby cease being upset for having it raised again, then we can avoid any more of your belligerence.
Regarding fallacies, I actually wasn't aware that ODG even referenced them, so its no attempt to emulate him, as you imply. What you posted was what's known as a "Pooh- Pooh fallacy", which is simply a variation of Ad Hominen, which are both referenced in my post. Attempted misdirection from actual points through attack upon poster or argument (in your case, through attacking my reading ability and assuming that my argument fell similarly short, both).
