Yeah, MM's power set is a little iffy tbh, it was implied by some cube beings that he could do far more than matter/energy manip, stating that he limited himself to 'mere matter and energy'...
Some of his more ambiguous feats could be him tapping into his potential to a greater extent...
Based on comics, I see them the same once you get to a high enough level. Add to this really high level super-science and really high level Magics ...go up the totem pole high enough and you end up with people who can play with the likes of Classic Beyonder, Classic Molecule Man, BatMite and Mzytlpk, MJJ etc.
Sure, some may be stronger than others, but the power set itself becomes more or less the same.
Like trying to heat a burger by throwing it into the sun versus throwing it into an exploding nuclear bomb versus throwing it into an erupting volcano.
All three are very different in terms of power, but to the hamburger it’s all the same.
Im glad this thread got brought up, because some people fail to understand basic physics, it seems.
The universe, fundamentally, is made up of three-dimensional space, and 1 temporal dimension. Inside said universe, mass/energy exists. All matter ranging from galaxies to freakin' bacteria are made up of atoms/molecules. A molecular manipulator may be able to affect said mass/energy but not the universe itself. He can't, say, move an entire universe or warp it in any way (because space/time is different from matter/energy) . All he can do is affect physical matter, but this physical matter still exists within the 4D space/time continuum which is beyond a molecular manipulator's power.
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reality manip is what i typically consider magic. at the highest levels it doesn't matter but in general i'd def rank reality manip above molecular manip. in theory at least, one will adhere to some physical law, while the other has no **cks to give about physical laws.
Is that so? Tell me how molecular manipulation can affect a universe on a fundamental level? You realize that the spatial dimensions aren't made of molecules or atoms or quarks or any quantized units? Space is continuous while matter is discrete made up of individual particles.
How could a molecular manipulator just "wish" something to be a reality? for instance, to take Legion's feat as an example, how could a molecular manipulator -- who has absolute no control over space/time -- warp the universe into a box?
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