Originally posted by Galan007
i can't think of a reality manipulation feat on owen's part right off hand. which feat(s) were you referring to?umm
Well, the fight with Beyonder was warping reality, although this was like a passive effect.
And then recently, he turned Bullseye to water but it was still alive and able to move...
Originally posted by Omega Visioni missed the "still alive and able to move" part of his post. that alone would make it some sort of reality manipulation, me thinks.
I don't know, it sounds like reality manipulation. If you can't even give a half-assed scientific explanation then its reality manip.
Originally posted by Galan007
i missed the "still alive and able to move" part of his post. that alone would make it some sort of reality manipulation, me thinks.
Yeah, MM's power set is a little iffy tbh, it was implied by some cube beings that he could do far more than matter/energy manip, stating that he limited himself to 'mere matter and energy'...
Some of his more ambiguous feats could be him tapping into his potential to a greater extent...
Based on comics, I see them the same once you get to a high enough level. Add to this really high level super-science and really high level Magics ...go up the totem pole high enough and you end up with people who can play with the likes of Classic Beyonder, Classic Molecule Man, BatMite and Mzytlpk, MJJ etc.
Sure, some may be stronger than others, but the power set itself becomes more or less the same.
Like trying to heat a burger by throwing it into the sun versus throwing it into an exploding nuclear bomb versus throwing it into an erupting volcano.
All three are very different in terms of power, but to the hamburger it’s all the same.
Im glad this thread got brought up, because some people fail to understand basic physics, it seems.
The universe, fundamentally, is made up of three-dimensional space, and 1 temporal dimension. Inside said universe, mass/energy exists. All matter ranging from galaxies to freakin' bacteria are made up of atoms/molecules. A molecular manipulator may be able to affect said mass/energy but not the universe itself. He can't, say, move an entire universe or warp it in any way (because space/time is different from matter/energy) . All he can do is affect physical matter, but this physical matter still exists within the 4D space/time continuum which is beyond a molecular manipulator's power.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Same power. Different names.
Is that so? Tell me how molecular manipulation can affect a universe on a fundamental level? You realize that the spatial dimensions aren't made of molecules or atoms or quarks or any quantized units? Space is continuous while matter is discrete made up of individual particles.
How could a molecular manipulator just "wish" something to be a reality? for instance, to take Legion's feat as an example, how could a molecular manipulator -- who has absolute no control over space/time -- warp the universe into a box?
Hint: He can't.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
cyclops optic blast>superman heat vision tho
This is all that matters.
On topic: reality warping is better.
Lots of good examples in here. A matter manipulator can indeed turn you into glass, or water.
A reality warper would turn you into a fav childhood memory, or the letter 'b', or the colour indigo.....