Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except there's no indication the Force responded to that. I find it more likely the Force responded to the shift that came with Plagueis' death, which was even more powerful.
Been awhile since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure the shift represents Palpatine becoming the master of the dark side and not a further unbalancing of the force. Otherwise, fair enough.
Originally posted by ares834
Been awhile since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure the shift represents Palpatine becoming the master of the dark side and not a further unbalancing of the force. Otherwise, fair enough.
A tremor took hold of the planet.Sprung from death, it unleashed itself in a powerful wave, at once burrowing deep into the world’s core and radiating through its saccharine atmosphere to shake the stars themselves. At the quake’s epicenter stood Sidious, one elegant hand vised on the burnished sill of an expansive translucency, a vessel filled suddenly to bursting, the Force so strong within him that he feared he might disappear into it, never to return. But the moment didn’t constitute an ending so much as a true beginning, long overdue; it was less a transformation than an intensification—a gravitic shift.
A welter of voices, near and far, present and from eons past, drowned his thoughts. Raised in praise, the voices proclaimed his reign and cheered the inauguration of a new order. Yellow eyes lifted to the night sky, he saw the trembling stars flare, and in the depth of his being he felt the power of the dark side anoint him.
Slowly, almost reluctantly, he came back to himself, his gaze settling on his manicured hands. Returned to the present, he took note of his rapid breathing, while behind him the room labored to restore order. Air scrubbers hummed—costly wall tapestries undulating in the summoned breeze. Prized carpets sealed their fibers against the spread of spilled fluids. The droid shuffled in obvious confliction. Sidious pivoted to take in the disarray: antique furniture overturned; framed artwork askew. As if a whirlwind had swept through. And facedown on the floor lay a statue of Yanjon, one of four law-giving sages of Dwartii.
A piece Sidious had secretly coveted.
Also sprawled there, Plagueis: his slender limbs splayed and elongated head turned to one side. Dressed in finery, as for a night on the town.
And now dead.
Or was he?
Uncertainty rippled through Sidious, rage returning to his eyes. A tremor of his own making, or one of forewarning? Was it possible that the wily Muun had deceived him? Had Plagueis unlocked the key to immortality, and survived after all? Never mind that it would constitute a petty move for one so wise—for one who had professed to place the Grand Plan above all else. Had Plagueis become ensnared in a self-spun web of jealousy and possessiveness, victim of his own engineering, his own foibles?
If he hadn’t been concerned for his own safety, Sidious might have pitied him. Wary of approaching the corpse of his former Master, he called on the Force to roll the aged Muun over onto his back. From that angle Plagueis looked almost as he had when Sidious first met him, decades earlier: smooth, hairless cranium; humped nose, with its bridge flattened as if from a shock-ball blow and its sharp tip pressed almost to his upper lip; jutting lower jaw; sunken eyes still brimming with menace—a physical characteristic rarely encountered in a Muun. But then Plagueis had never been an ordinary Muun, nor an ordinary being of any sort.
Sidious took care, still reaching out with the Force. On closer inspection, he saw that Plagueis’s already cyanotic flesh was smoothing out, his features relaxing.
Faintly aware of the whir of air scrubbers and sounds of the outside world infiltrating the luxurious suite, he continued the vigil; then, in relief, he pulled himself up to his full height and let out his breath. This was no Sith trick. Not an instance of feigning death, but one of succumbing to its cold embrace. The being who had guided him to power was gone.
Wry amusement narrowed his eyes.
The Muun might have lived another hundred years unchanged. He might have lived forever had he succeeded fully in his quest. But in the end—though he could save others from death—he had failed to save himself.
A sense of supreme accomplishment puffed Sidious’s chest, and his thoughts unreeled.
Well, then, that wasn’t nearly as bad as we thought it might be...
Rarely did events play out as imagined, in any case. The order of future events was transient. In the same way that the past was reconfigured by selective memory, future events, too, were moving targets. One could only act on instinct, grab hold of an intuited perfect moment, and spring into action. One heartbeat late and the universe would have recomposed itself, no imposition of will sufficient to forestall the currents. One could only observe and react. Surprise was the element absent from any periodic table. A keystone element; a missing ingredient. The means by which the Force amused itself. A reminder to all sentient beings that some secrets could never be unlocked.
Confident that the will of the dark side had been done, he returned to the suite’s window wall. Two beings in a galaxy of countless trillions, but what had transpired in the suite would affect the lives of all of them. Already the galaxy had been shaped by the birth of one, and henceforth would be reshaped by the death of the other. But had the change been felt and recognized elsewhere? Were his sworn enemies aware that the Force had shifted irrevocably?Would it be enough to rouse them from self-righteousness? He hoped not. For now the work of vengeance could begin in earnest.
His eyes sought and found an ascending constellation of stars, one of power and consequence new to the sky, though soon to be overwhelmed by dawn’s first light. Low in the sky over the flatlands, visible only to those who knew where and how to look, it ushered in a bold future. To some the stars and planets might seem to be moving as ever, destined to align in configurations calculated long before their fiery births. But in fact the heavens had been perturbed, tugged by dark matter into novel alignments. In his mouth, Sidious tasted the tang of blood; in his chest, he felt the monster rising, emerging from shadowy depths and contorting his aspect into something fearsome just short of revealing itself to the world.
The dark side had made him its property, and now he made the dark side his.
Breathless, not from exertion but from the sudden inspiration of power, he let go of the sill and allowed the monster to writhe through his body like an unbroken beast of range or prairie.
Had the Force ever been so strong in anyone?
Sidious had never learned how Plagueis’s own Master had met his end. Had he died at Plagueis’s hand? Had Plagueis, too, experienced a similar exultation on becoming a sole Sith Lord? Had the beast of the end time risen then to peek at the world it was to inhabit, knowing its release was imminent?
Credit to Azronger.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No if I want to dispute it I'll simply ask Luceno to clarify. When he does you'll stick to your rhetoric as you try to say Luceno's statement is irrelevant based off examples of other author's having made questionable statements in the past. Everybody with any common sense will accept what's evident and you'll go back to scheming plots to wank Revan and bring down his competition. It's pretty simple.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I have no idea how to interpret that gif lolStill, you haven't truly experienced Fated Xtasy on a certain day if you haven't seen him make a post with a gif of a white female 👆
Interpret it as me being shocked over Syn talking to Ant in such a way. Last time It lead to stuff so lol.
Also. Shush up. My gifs are perfect.
Well. Luceno seems to have dissapeared off the face of the Earth.
Next best thing but I'll continue digging.
It's almost like the whole point of the Darth Plagueis novel is to explain the key events prior to the movies and isn't subject to retcon because Luceno's description of dates falls out of line by a matter of months with a reference book that is literally full of minor errors.
Then again, maybe it was just a huge coincidence that the Chosen One was born in relative simultaneity with Plagueis' war against the Force. Yes, perhaps something even more important than Sidious and his master challenging the Force for sovereignty went on at the same time and there just wasn't enough budget to make the book happen.
Holy shit lol. I don't know how anyone could class this as a victory. At best it would be a pyrrhic one, given that the original topic of debate as proposed by Ant himself has been abandoned in favour of nitpicking for technicalities. Either way, the point of Plagueis' superiority being ironclad has just been verified by this colossal switching of goalposts.
Holy ****, I just realized that in a sense, the Banite line killed the Ones.
It's philosophy created a cyclical evolution through turning conflict into a process for improvement, which lead to Plagueis and Sidious, who unbalanced the Force in favor of the Dark Side, which is around when the Father really lost control over the Son and started dying. Said imbalance also lead to the birth of Anakin. And between Anakin's actions and the Son acting against the Father, the Ones all died.
Then of course, Anakin also ended the Banite line which caused the imbalance to begin with.
Then Luke was there after the fact, to rebuild the Jedi Order, to give stability to a Galaxy reeling from war and tyranny, and built that philosophy on love rather than emotional detachment, which ended up leading to him acting in the interests of the Galaxy, and when he ran into Abeloth he was willing to team up with Sith for the greater good. He was also tempted with the Font of Power and saw his own sacrifices in the Pool of Knowledge, ultimately realizing and trusting the Jedi Order he had created to continue in their mission. He decided that with the Ones death, the Sith and Jedi must take their place in maintaining the balance of the Galaxy, and sent a team of Jedi to hunt for the Dagger of Mortis to kill Abeloth if she ever returned.
After realizing this, I now have a deeper appreciation for Banite and Lukean philosophy than I did before, as well as just the philosophy of SW in general. The Banite principal of developing strength through hardship and conflict by transforming that negativity into a process for improvement and the Lukean understanding that even if most emotions can be misleading love is a guiding force that can give you meaning and purpose, both of which are philosophies I've come to truly understand and embrace in the past week.
Originally posted by ILS👆 👆 👆
It's almost like the whole point of the Darth Plagueis novel is to explain the key events prior to the movies and isn't subject to retcon because Luceno's description of dates falls out of line by a matter of months with a reference book that is literally full of minor errors.Then again, maybe it was just a huge coincidence that the Chosen One was born in relative simultaneity with Plagueis' war against the Force. Yes, perhaps something even more important than Sidious and his master challenging the Force for sovereignty went on at the same time and there just wasn't enough budget to make the book happen.
Holy shit lol. I don't know how anyone could class this as a victory. At best it would be a pyrrhic one, given that the original topic of debate as proposed by Ant himself has been abandoned in favour of nitpicking for technicalities. Either way, the point of Plagueis' superiority being ironclad has just been verified by this colossal switching of goalposts.
Originally posted by ILS
It's almost like the whole point of the Darth Plagueis novel is to explain the key events prior to the movies and isn't subject to retcon because Luceno's description of dates falls out of line by a matter of months with a reference book that is literally full of minor errors.Then again, maybe it was just a huge coincidence that the Chosen One was born in relative simultaneity with Plagueis' war against the Force. Yes, perhaps something even more important than Sidious and his master challenging the Force for sovereignty went on at the same time and there just wasn't enough budget to make the book happen.
Holy shit lol. I don't know how anyone could class this as a victory. At best it would be a pyrrhic one, given that the original topic of debate as proposed by Ant himself has been abandoned in favour of nitpicking for technicalities. Either way, the point of Plagueis' superiority being ironclad has just been verified by this colossal switching of goalposts.