Chick Tracts and the Bible why the discrimination?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Yeah, Jack Chick is like some sort of modern day Bogey Man used to scare children into obedience.

Parent: "Look Samantha if you don't do as your told there will be no Harry Potter for tonight's bedtime story, instead you'll be made read the Chick Tract were the devil makes the black kid watch his parents getting tossed into hell while tied up like a dog.

Samantha: "scared"

Parent: "Damn right."

And if anyone is wondering which Tract I am talking about it is this one:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1107/1107_01.asp?wpc=1107_01.asp&wpp=a

Chick Publications: Spreading the word through fear for over 40 years.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Statement: That is one of the few wholly accurate Chick tracts.

Except the second panel shows children being thrown into hell along with what appears to be a pimp and a basketball player... most Christians I know who believe in hell seem to think children are not judged while children (probably the whole doli incapax thing.)

And Chick seems to be tying nooses around kiddies necks damn young.

And then we have Jesus it appears telling him "hey, don't cry, yeah your parents are burning, but you don't have to." And the kid actually seems happy then to fly off to heaven in a badly drawn flying scene. I don't think I would get over it quite that easy without some sort of divine lobotamy first.

But anyway - message or no, this is spreading the word through fear. I actually see this as the kind of thing some Chick-ite would give a kid.

I do believe we are condemned by our own sins and that we are naturally sinful which is attested to by our selfish nature. I was more referring to the message being hopeful in the latter half about being saved with no hellfire and brimstone message.

Just out of interest - what are the sins that condemn each and everyone of us? And if ours sins are sufficient to condemn us in the afterlife shouldn't shouldn't they be enough to, I don't know, land us in jail while on earth?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You could neven say that Christianity is Paulianty, rather than Christianity.
He hated everything and everyone...

Sorry, I'm a little confuzzled, are you saying Paul hated everyone? It could be argued at one stage he hated Christians but then he became one ✅

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Except the second panel shows children being thrown into hell along with what appears to be a pimp and a basketball player... most Christians I know who believe in hell seem to think children are not judged while children (probably the whole doli incapax thing.)

And Chick seems to be tying nooses around kiddies necks damn young.

And then we have Jesus it appears telling him "hey, don't cry, yeah your parents are burning, but you don't have to." And the kid actually seems happy then to fly off to heaven in a badly drawn flying scene. I don't think I would get over it quite that easy without some sort of divine lobotamy first.

But anyway - message or no, this is spreading the word through fear. I actually see this as the kind of thing some Chick-ite would give a kid.

Just out of interest - what are the sins that condemn each and everyone of us? And if ours sins are sufficient to condemn us in the afterlife shouldn't shouldn't they be enough to, I don't know, land us in jail while on earth?

There's some interesting points there ✅

I'm a Christian and I believe in a fair, loving God. I do not believe a fair loving God would allow Children, people with disabilities or anyone who isn't old enough or able in anyway to hear his word etc etc to go to hell. ✅

As for the comments on sin, that depends on your definition of a sin. I would define a sin as any action or choice made that goes against God's will and plans for our lives. However I think many people think sin = crime. Whilst I think to sin is a horrific act, I understand that the government doesn't lock away people for telling a lie or blaspheming, even though they are sins ✅

Originally posted by willRules
There's some interesting points there ✅

I'm a Christian and I believe in a fair, loving God. I do not believe a fair loving God would allow Children, people with disabilities or anyone who isn't old enough or able in anyway to hear his word etc etc to go to hell. ✅

As for the comments on sin, that depends on your definition of a sin. I would define a sin as any action or choice made that goes against God's will and plans for our lives. However I think many people think sin = crime. Whilst I think to sin is a horrific act, I understand that the government doesn't lock away people for telling a lie or blaspheming, even though they are sins ✅

IMO a person cannot go against God's will, and there is no plan for our lives.

I like how Chick racially customizes the tracts... here we have a Black child, so of course there's a Black angel and a Black Jesus. While on other tracts, White people have White angels and a White Jesus. Chick is nothing but a fear mongering, soul selling pig-****er.

Originally posted by Robtard
I like how Chick racially customizes the tracts... here we have a Black child, so of course there's a Black angel and a Black Jesus. While on other tracts, White people have White angels and a White Jesus. Chick is nothing but a fear mongering, soul selling pig-****er.

Sounds manipulative to me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
IMO a person cannot go against God's will, and there is no plan for our lives.

Fair enough, if that is your belief 🙂

On an unrelated note, to be honest with you guys, I'm a little intimidated by this forum. I'm a Christian and I have seen many debates between people who are and aren't Christians here, with very strong opinions about why they think they are so right and others are just lunatics. Whilst my own opinions may be considered just as controversial, I don't mean any disrespect o anybody or their faith. 🙂

Originally posted by willRules
Fair enough, if that is your belief 🙂

On an unrelated note, to be honest with you guys, I'm a little intimidated by this forum. I'm a Christian and I have seen many debates between people who are and aren't Christians here, with very strong opinions about why they think they are so right and others are just lunatics. Whilst my own opinions may be considered just as controversial, I don't mean any disrespect o anybody or their faith. 🙂

This is a debating forum. So, debate with people and have fun, but don't take any of it personally.

Some advice: don't say "Fair enough, if that is your belief 🙂" at the beginning. Ask questions and try to understand what I am saying, then after a long healthy debate you can say "Fair enough, if that is your belief"

I didn't say anything controversial enough did I? Saying "Fair enough if that's what you believe", is a healthy respect for the opinions of others whilst tightly maintaining my own faith. Therefore it's useless to a religious debate 😛 😄

Originally posted by willRules
I didn't say anything controversial enough did I? Saying "Fair enough if that's what you believe", is a healthy respect for the opinions of others whilst tightly maintaining my own faith. Therefore it's useless to a religious debate 😛 😄

How dare you be nice to me. 😠 😆

i was actually gonna comment on the whole race thing myelf.

Originally posted by willRules
As for the comments on sin, that depends on your definition of a sin. I would define a sin as any action or choice made that goes against God's will and plans for our lives. However I think many people think sin = crime. Whilst I think to sin is a horrific act, I understand that the government doesn't lock away people for telling a lie or blaspheming, even though they are sins ✅

Which is my point - if the "sins" that many people will theoretically be judged and condemned for are of quality that it would be unthinkable they would be punished on earth to any real extent then how can they be accepted by people as grounds for judgement and condemnation in the after-life.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Query: Marchello, would you mind replying to what Imperial_Samurai has written?

Declaration: If Marchello has the Word on his side--and only his--then Marchello should be able to acknolwedge what Imperial_Samurai has written and demonstrate how Imperial_Samurai is erroneous.

Conjecture: Marchello refuses to respond to Imperial_Samurai because Imperial_Samurai is right.

Plausible Conclusion: Marchello's views are erroneous and not supported by the Word of God.

Query: Why do you keep talking like that? 😑

Declaration: I know I took my meds.

Connjecture: I'm really confused now.

Plausible conclusion: Is this really Feceman?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Query: Why do you keep talking like that? 😑

Declaration: I know I took my meds.

Connjecture: I'm really confused now.

Plausible conclusion: Is this really Feceman?

It a style that seems somewhat reminiscent of a character from a Star Wars game. Good old HK-47.

I think we should all talk like this.....I'm ready!! 😕

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
It a style that seems somewhat reminiscent of a character from a Star Wars game. Good old HK-47.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Which is my point - if the "sins" that many people will theoretically be judged and condemned for are of quality that it would be unthinkable they would be punished on earth to any real extent then how can they be accepted by people as grounds for judgement and condemnation in the after-life.

I believe that in God's eye, a sin is a sin. I may be wrong but (off the top of my head) I can't think of any Biblical passages that would have to outright claim, without interpretation, that God tells us how to punish different sins by different degrees. God says people will be judged for their sins, we are told in the Bible that God sees all sin as horrific acts against his name regardless of how we might consider to order and punish people for their degrees of severity or atrocity. That's what our government does, right or wrong, this is another matter 🙂

Personally I think that the all powerful, all loving God, all knowing God I believe in would have much more authority to judge someone for their sins than we do. The point is that he doesn't want to have to judge us, we have been given the amazing opportunity of repentance through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as our personal lord and saviour ✅

Originally posted by Nellinator
He was the most interesting, but mediocre in gameplay. Now get back on topic you meatbag.

If only he could have used swords.

Originally posted by willRules
I believe that in God's eye, a sin is a sin. I may be wrong but (off the top of my head) I can't think of any Biblical passages that would have to outright claim, without interpretation, that God tells us how to punish different sins by different degrees. God says people will be judged for their sins, we are told in the Bible that God sees all sin as horrific acts against his name regardless of how we might consider to order and punish people for their degrees of severity or atrocity. That's what our government does, right or wrong, this is another matter 🙂

Personally I think that the all powerful, all loving God, all knowing God I believe in would have much more authority to judge someone for their sins than we do. The point is that he doesn't want to have to judge us, we have been given the amazing opportunity of repentance through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as our personal lord and saviour ✅

***Will:

You are correct...in God's eyes a sin is a sin...in His eyes there is no gradation of sin for the "wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord" [Romans 6:23]. God is so holy He will not tolerate sin or have it before Him...ALL sin is deadly.

Marchello