Originally posted by leonidas
that is PRECISELY the issue. it was stated in black and white THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE FLASH WAS JAY. it was unambiguous. the SAME RULE was reiterated by red just last week (friday i think) just before the last round of drafts. again, i WANTED to draft impulse, and couldn't. why would i rather have him than jay? simple: essentially the same powersets (though impulse is faster) but impulse endurance>jay's. easy to find at least 3 scans that show jay tiring rather quickly.i've no problem with bart per se, in terms of power level, since he's capped. i DO have a problem with a very clear rule being thrust aside though. jesse quick would be fine afaik. she maxes out below jay from what i've read.
anyway, i am done with the issue. i don't think bart should be allowed. i'm against phylla too, but if marty requested her and was denied THEN goob requested and she was accepted, i'm REALLY against her. 😬
There was an issue where Jay pretty much proved his superiority to Bart as Kid Flash when he threatened to take away his speed. And I've seen Superman and Jay race all across the globe, so this really shouldn't be an issue for you.
But I digress on the matter. Hopefully, NJ or Red would like to give us their two cents on the matter.
"teh List":
Loki: martian, akuki, goob, bran, bats
Firestorm: trick, akuki, martian, bran, bats
Sersi: bran
Jefferies/Box: leo, trick, martian
Aquarian: trick, akuki, dl, martian, goob, bran, charlotte
Meggan: trick
Nova: goob, bran, leo (if world mind is an option)
Ronan: martian
Makkari: bats, trick
Spartan 3.0: leo, akuki, smurph
Death Metal: leo, trick, akuki
Phyla-Vell: leo, lam, trick, akuki, pr (i think)
Light Ray: trick, leo, bats
Mar-Vell: leo, goob
Darkness: bran
Rachel: bran
Bart: leo, lam (i think)
going to add a seperate category and just call it "gems" referring to the IG gems.
gems: leo, trick, lam, goob
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7 votes needed to ban.
aquarian has been banned by the participants. awaiting 2 judges votes.
metron has been banned.
--still can't see how phylla was allowed if rookie gl's -- ltd to rookie feats -- weren't. 😬 and if marty asked first and was denied, it REALLY seems unfair . . .
take a close look at the list everyone. if i've missed some votes let me know and i'll adjust accordingly. the BIGGEST issue in my book is the weapons being allowed. initially there WAS a limit declared. the weapons were supposed to be 'wonderwoman level'. difficlut to gauge (i said as such when the rule was brought up) but things were supposed to be taken on a case-by-case basis. if MOTHERBOXES were declared illegal, not sure how the gems can get in, or the bands.
Originally posted by batdude123
There was an issue where Jay pretty much proved his superiority to Bart as Kid Flash when he threatened to take away his speed. And I've seen Superman and Jay race all across the globe, so this really shouldn't be an issue for you.But I digress on the matter. Hopefully, NJ or Red would like to give us their two cents on the matter.
as i said -- it's less a 'power' issue, and MUCH more a principle issue. 😬
but, no disrespect meant to pr. if he is allowed to have bart, that'll be sweet for him . . .
possible to get this on the front page of one of the threads so it doesn't have to keep being bumped?
Blair
Single Pick1- Wundarr the Aquarian
Amalgam1- Madison Jeffries (with Box)/Professor Ivo
Amalgam2- Element Lad/Brainiac5
Single Pick2-Light Ray
Single Pick3- Thom Kallor
Amalgam Pick3- Spartan w/Void/Persuder
Goober
Single Pick1- Absorbing Man
Amalgam1-He-Man/Skeletor
Amalgam2-Monica Rambeau (Photon)/Warrior
Single Pick2-Matrix Supergirl
Single Pick3- Access
Amalgam Pick3- Rune/Phyla-Vell
Smurph
Single Pick1- Black Bolt
Amalgam1- Reed Richards/Sage
Amalgam2-Firestorm (Ronnie)/Meggan
Single Pick2-Animal Man
Single Pick3- Sprite
Amalgam Pick3- Ray/Jor-el
Charlotte
Single Pick1- Graviton
Amalgam1- Engineer II/Brainiac8
Amalgam2-Yellowjacket/Shift
Single Pick2-Jack Hawksmoor
Single Pick3- Apollo
Amalgam Pick3- Nate Grey/Mantis
Bran
Single Pick1- Martian Manhunter
Amalgam1- Northstar/Juggernaut
Amalgam2-Cable/Nova
Single Pick2-Apocalypse
Single Pick3- James Hudson (Cyborg)
Amalgam Pick3- Drax/w gem/Iron Fist
Laminator X
Single Pick1- Loki
Amalgam1- Spider-Man (circa Civil War)/Atlas
Amalgam2-Cassandra Nova/Cloak
Single Pick2-Alex Luthor Jr
Single Pick3- Warlock (Technarch)
Amalgam Pick3- Madrox/Phastos
Trick
Single Pick1- Dr. Arthur Light
Amalgam1- Ikaris/ Atom (Ray Palmer)
Amalagam2-Metamorpho/Mar-vell
Single Pick2-???
Single Pick3- Darkness
Amalgam Pick3- Exodus/Machine Man
Devil lance
Single Pick1- Maxima
Amalgam1- Ronan the accuser/Super-skrull
Amalgam2-Captain Comet (current)/Krypto
Single Pick2-Magneto
Single Pick3- Death Metal
Amalgam Pick3- Shaman/Hyperion
Akuki
Single Pick1- Demon Witchfire
Amalgam1- Nova (Frankie Raye)/Supergirl
Amalgam2-Dr. Doom/Ultimate Superskrull
Single Pick2-Spawn (1st Age)
Single Pick3- Prodigy
Amalgam Pick3- Moondragon w/gem/Gold Key Solar
Pr1983
Single Pick1- Firestorm (current)
Amalgam1- Red Tornado (JLA #12)/Steven Lang (Phalanx Infected)
Amalgam2-Wonderwoman/Manchester Black
Single Pick2-Makkari
Single Pick3- Geo-Force
Amalgam Pick3- Mr. Sinister/Dr. Light
Martian
Single Pick1- Nightshade
Amalgam1- Mr Terrific 2/Sand
Amalagam2-Forerunner/Supernova
Single Pick2- Malefic
Single Pick3- Gentleman Ghost
Amalgam Pick3- Mary Marvel/Enchantress
Leo
Single Pick1- Forge
Amalgam1- Sersi/Ult. Reed
Amalagam2- Savitar/Vulcan
Single Pick2- Wiz Kid
Single Pick3- Black Box
Amalgam Pick3- Rachel Summers/Cerebro Prime
Originally posted by leonidasAnd the Phoenix, Nova, Firestorm, if that's the case...
the gems, the n-bands, and the q-bands are rather CLEARLY BEYOND that pre-conceived limit. 😬
Mar-Vell is so well below the limits, it's hilarious though...
Should we ban all characters that follow this rule, or just some... It's either all or nothing. And when Mar-Vell gets banned from a Wonder Woman tourney... 😬
still not understanding what you think current rachel has done that ww couldn't do. she would put up AT LEAST as good a fight vs gladiator as rachel did, who basically stalemated him then flew off. 😬
nova i'm unsure of, and most seem to think ww would beat firestorm. i'm not as concerned about mar-vell as about the bands. i was discussing WEAPONS specifically, which were also supposed to be limited in this tourney to ww levels . . .
but, as is becoming quite clear, it doesn't seem that most people are bothered by any of them, so the point is likely to be proven moot and we'll just need to deal with whatever anyone has. 😬
"teh List":
Loki: martian, akuki, goob, bran, bats
Firestorm: trick, akuki, martian, bran, bats
Sersi: bran
Jefferies/Box: leo, trick, martian
Aquarian: trick, akuki, dl, martian, goob, bran, charlotte
Meggan: trick
Nova: goob, bran, leo (if world mind is an option)
Ronan: martian
Makkari: bats, trick
Spartan 3.0: leo, akuki, smurph
Death Metal: leo, trick, akuki
Phyla-Vell: leo, lam, trick, akuki, pr, bw
Light Ray: trick, leo, bats
Mar-Vell: leo, goob
Darkness: bran
Rachel: bran
Bart: leo, lam (i think)
going to add a seperate category and just call it "gems" referring to the IG gems.
gems: leo, trick, lam, goob, gems
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7 votes needed to ban.
aquarian has been banned by the participants. awaiting 2 judges votes.
metron has been banned. trick needs to repick.
take a close look at the list everyone. if i've missed some votes let me know and i'll adjust accordingly. the BIGGEST issue in my book is the weapons being allowed. initially there WAS a limit declared. the weapons were supposed to be 'wonderwoman level'. difficlut to gauge (i said as such when the rule was brought up) but things were supposed to be taken on a case-by-case basis. if MOTHERBOXES were declared illegal, not sure how the gems can get in, or the bands.