Darth Malak versus Darth Vader

Started by Wolverine21795 pages
Wolverine2179 Restricted

Good god you lose so badly that your using WOOKIEPEDIA to back your arguments? You truly are a desperate guy trying to win a debate.

Anybody could have typed it in wookiepedia and there is nothing, no concrete source material to back wookiepedia up so therefore your credibility has been severely damaged.

You have been avoiding EVERY single question i have thrown at you which just proves that you have lost the debate and further prove your pig headedness refusing to back down and shut up.

Originally posted by Incanus
read this wookieepedia excerpt dude. About Malaks canonical powers and abilities. And dude, i said VADER and Bane, not Sidious and Bane, you just dont want to have to face the fact that the guy that you wish slept in your bed would die if faced by this guy, and die FAST.
Dude what ever, calling me a vader fanboy isn't going to change the fact that your an absolutely pathethic and lousy debater.

And he isn't going to die fast, there is ZERO proof to even back your claims that malak is going to pawn vader, it is NOT a fact.

Like i said, if malak is so uber with sith spells which is unproven that he knows off, how come he couldn't kill revan who is barely more powerful than vader?

Originally posted by Incanus

Having been a Jedi Guardian,[49] Darth Malak was a skilled lightsaber duelist.

Again HOW skilled is he actually? Even wookiepedia CANNOT conclude just how skilled is he, how is this proof he is better than vader?

Originally posted by Incanus

He spoke and comprehended several languages, including Basic and the Sith language.[2] Contrasting his Sith Master Revan, Malak used brute force rather than strategy to defeat his enemies, as demonstrated when he ordered both the bombing of Telos IV and the destruction of Taris.[7]
Not relevant to debate

Originally posted by Incanus

When he was a Sith Lord, Malak could use the Force to choke more than one person at a time, demonstrating this ability to Revan when he simultaneously choked two Jedi that he had captured just before their final confrontation.


And this proves what? That hes more powerful than vader? Oh right vader suspended 10 wild dogs in the air(each dog is capable of tearing a man to pieces with ease) and snapped all their necks at once.

Originally posted by Incanus

Immediately after that, he also displayed his ability to throw his lightsaber, igniting and throwing it at one of the captured Jedi's chest, killing him.
Wow so throwing his lightsaber means hes ub3r.

Vader is probably more "ub3r" seeing that he threw his lightsaber at a FLYING SHIP and killed fang zhar when his lightsaber landed on him.

Source: Rise of darth vader.

Originally posted by Incanus

His strength with the Force enabled him to create a whirlwind of Force energy that would encircle his victim,
And vader could create force waves and seize telekinetic storms that nearly killed one of the most powerful force users ever: galen marek.

Originally posted by Incanus

and he could use the Force to create a stasis field which froze his enemies in place.
Which doesn't work on incredibly powerful force users, or revan would have been frozen by malak and then slaughtered.

Originally posted by Incanus

Malak was also proficient in using the Force to augment his speed, and could also use it to supress the abilities of another Force-user. He could render himself virtually invulnerable to most Force powers for a limited amount of time,
Oh right, how you forget that him being "invulnerable" to force attacks is GAMEPLAY MECHANICS which sadly are NOT canon.

If he truly was invulnerable then why isn't he the most powerful force user ever? Why was revan still able to beat him? Hell why didn't he even dare confront revan in the first place and choose to backstab him with a frickin star ship?

Originally posted by Incanus

He was also skilled in the use of Sith sorcery.[2]
Unsubstantiated and unproven, malak has NEVER shown sith sorcery in ANY SW material ever so obviously wookiepedia is lying, you can't use wookipedia to back your claims in a debate.

Originally posted by Incanus

So i add empahsis to some things, INVULNERABLE TO A FORCE USERS POWERS, SUPRESS ANOTHERS FORCE POWERS, DARK HEALING, AND STASIS FIELD.
First off he isn't invulnerable to force powers, he can't supress the powers of a more powerful force user and neither would the stasis field work.

And his "dark healing" is actually a force drain, wookiepedia is being full of shit again(anybody can edit it).

Sorry spud, you lose, you want to continue to debate then ANSWER every single question i have thrown at you that you blatantly ignored.

Oh by the way, yet again you have been OWNED once more. Now shut the hell up.

Incanus Istari

Dude, you actually think VADER would kill BANE????????????? You truly are demented dude. But think about it, a guy who has only had 1 game with him fighting, and a comic series with him in it, is going to actually have a good background? im just rolling with what i can give about Malak, while you have a whole bunch of **** about a guy who got pwned by his son, who had basically no training. oh, and btw, Revan was a better duelist than Malak, so he didnt need to kill him with the force.

Wolverine2179 Restricted

Originally posted by Incanus
Dude, you actually think VADER would kill BANE????????????? You truly are demented dude. But think about it, a guy who has only had 1 game with him fighting, and a comic series with him in it, is going to actually have a good background? im just rolling with what i can give about Malak, while you have a whole bunch of **** about a guy who got pwned by his son, who had basically no training. oh, and btw, Revan was a better duelist than Malak, so he didnt need to kill him with the force.
No, bane would kill vader and rape his ass.

And no, vader didn't get pwned by his own son, wow if thats the case luke should also be able to pwn marek... NOT.

You see son vader, according to luke skywalker was holding back in a sense where vader did not use any force powers or luke would have been dead by the start of the duel.

And so because revan is a better duelist means he doesn't need to use the force? What kinda bullshit are you pulling it out of your ass again?

Incanus Istari

Dude, i said Malak was NOT a better duelist than Revan, and being able to supress his powers, OR being immune to them thru a force technique, would NOT matter when Revan blade is thru his stomach.

Wolverine2179 Restricted

There is still zero proof that hes immune to force powers moron, quit being an idiotic cow and pull your bloody head out of your arse.

I'm trying my best to be patient but you are just wracking my nerves, thank god your not a lawyer or your clients are all going to get sodomized in jail and get a death sentence.

Prove that malak can supress revans or anybodies powers.

Incanus Istari

Uh, well considering how the fact is, he posses the power in the game that cancels tier on and two force powers, for supression. He did that to me and i pwned his ass without them.

Wolverine2179 Restricted

Gameplay mechanics aren't canon fool and cannot be used in debates, you see? You pulled more stuff out of your ass, now get your head out of there.

Want proof that it isn't canon? Go read leland chees blog on the official star wars site.

Because if you consider that a feat then vader would be a god considering in empire at war, he could wipe out 50-100 rebel troopers with one force wave.

Incanus Istari

hehehe leland chees(e)

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

I think that ^ is a euphemism for "Okay, I concede."

Incanus Istari

no its not, i just couldnt help but put that for some reason.........

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

You probably should concede though. Most of the little that I read of your argument revolved around game mechanics, which as Wolverine said, isn't canon at all.

Incanus Istari

I just havnt read all that crap about Vader, like i said i live in a small place witha small library, none of that stuff. If i read the,, i might agree with him, its just i cant get my hands on the stuff. So dontblame me if i know more about Malak than Vader. which i dont. He just wants to know stuff about a guy who is virtually unknown in powers and abilities.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Wookieepedia.

Incanus Istari

Checked it, he rebutted everything with absolutly no logic of Malak apparently. Asking for the lightsaber skill of a guy who is virtually unknown, though he was a jedi guardian, focusing on lightsaber combat.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Exactly. This is why I say that before any new member posts in this forum, that they be made to read a notice describing how the KotOR characters don't have any specific feats or power to their names and thus suck as Vs. opponents.

Incanus Istari

I know one thing about Malak that is from the coics: He had trained since he became a jedi to focus on lightsaber combat, so he would be a formidable duelist. And Revan has feats to his name, so does Bastila,(albeit few for her) Canderous, And Carth (i think) Revan has alot of feats in fact..... not all combat albeit, but some, so does Malak, all from canon comics, i think.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Yeah, their activities are known. But when these things say "very skilled lightsaber duelist" it doesn't help. Because so was Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan, and Anakin, and Bondara, and Yoda, and Dooku, and Mace and Marek, and Luke, and Palaptine, and Drallig, and Shaak, and Kas'im, and Bane, and Revan, and Kun etc. etc. etc. etc.

Incanus Istari

The thing is, he trained almost exclusivly for it, so he must at least be a good duelist. The Mandalorian Wars would have improved his technique.

Wolverine2179 Restricted

Originally posted by Incanus
Checked it, he rebutted everything with absolutly no logic of Malak apparently. Asking for the lightsaber skill of a guy who is virtually unknown, though he was a jedi guardian, focusing on lightsaber combat.
Please don't tell me i have no logic when it is obvious that your the one without any logic at all.

They say malak is good, but how good and how defined is virtually unknown, look at exar kun, bane and sidious, they too are good but we know EXACTLY how good.

Incanus Istari

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Please don't tell me i have no logic when it is obvious that your the one without any logic at all.

They say malak is good, but how good and how defined is virtually unknown, look at exar kun, bane and sidious, they too are good but we know EXACTLY how good.

Ok dude, NO ONE has knowledge of Malak, not you, not me. Only Lucas (maybe) and the guys who invented him. I will admit i lost, but it is mainly becuase i have no logic of Malak, but neither do you. You can not say you do. Unless you say you do, but you would be lying.