Air resistance? The distance between Garou and Death Gatling was 10 meters or less. Air drag doesn't cause significant loss in bullet velocity across such a small distance. And coordinating his movements in order to deflect multiple bullets with each single swing wouldn't drop down the difficulty to "single-bullet-blocking level". A bit less raw speed required in exchange for quite a bit more coordination.
My point being, you casually ignored these factors whilst talking up factors to make it more impressive, i.e. bias. I was saying if you wanted to be impartial, ALL factors need to be considered. Even if it only drops the speed down 'a bit less' (your unproven claim).
Anyway, yeah Jay would be too much for him.
How would you rate Sandman's chances (Spidey villain)? Karate Kid? And yes, Sin, looks like a High Meta. What did Classic Quicksilver top out at again?
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on Jul 4th, 2022 at 07:17 PM
Yeah, I didn't have to consider air drag because my claim was that blocking gatling gun autofire requires much more speed than blocking a single bullet. Just in case you didn't know, air drag also affects singly-fired bullets.
By all means, test it yourself. First ask someone to throw a single baseball at you and try to catch it. Then ask, say, 30 guys all throw baseballs at you at rapid rate. Does it feel the same, what do you think? If you factor in the air drag, does that make it feel the same? If you attempt to block multiple baseballs with each swing, surely that reduces the difficulty down to single-baseball levels?
I personally think catching takes more skill and speed/coordination then batting it away, but that's neither here nor there - Garou didn't catch the bullets, but swatted them away.
Then it depends on how I swat these bullets away. With a sword, with the edge, is significantly more impressive, imo, then with the flat of the blade, or with your hand - even if I am swatting multiple bullets away.
But yes - what do you think of Sandman's chances? Karate Kid?
Hmm, how good is Sandman's control over his body these days? If he gets dispersed across the field like Garou did to Evil Natural Water would that take him out long enough to count as a win for Bang?
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Anyways, Sandman is probably against the spirit of this thread. If he just fought physically, remaining in humanoid shape and using only his fighting skills, he'd get wrecked time and time again (possibly always getting up soon after, depending on the extent of his control over his body). He would have to use the special physical nature of his body to launch "non-hand-to-hand" attacks in order to achieve any victory other than simply outlasting his opponent. But in that case, where do we draw the line? For example, there probably are many comic book characters who can harm Bang simply by letting him punch them. Radioactive Man? X-Ray? Naked Rogue? Lets say Loa (Alani Ryan) is one of the weakest who could beat Bang in a physical brawl. If Bang hits her, his hands (or feet) would get disintegrated.
Karate Kid is all over the place. His top showings would be enough to beat Bang, I would say.
And as we're WAY past the 2nd page now, bit too late for OP to stip further.
Carv maybe just wanted a brick in this thread? Or a slugfest? But am sure he's smart enough to have said so in his OP and clarifications. He merely said no gimmicky powers....but never clarified what that is (isn't MA skill a gimmick too?)
So yeah.....looks like a meta tier here. He's really good at what he does, but not versatile enough to really go far beyond that.
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Last edited by DarkSaint85 on Jul 5th, 2022 at 04:40 PM
I said no gimmicks or hacks. Sandman is obviously a gimmicky character that cant be punched to sleep. The thread seems pretty obvious. Characters that can be physically dominated via punches and kicks.
Should've clarified you just wanted bricks, Carvy. Galan even asked you to clarify. Moreover, it's strange you wanted a pure fistfight........but allowed BFR.
Alas. It's too late in the day now. Maybe one day you can choose characters who aren't so limited.
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Jul 4th, 2022 01:43 PM
better luck next time, just stipulate you want limited bricks 
