Goku v. Superman

Not at all. If you knew the laws about publishing things, you'd know that they are different in the US as opposed to Japan.

Hey Creshosk Proove it Im starting to get the feeling that your self proclaimed publishing knowledge is utterly trash.

After my brief read through of this forum you seem to be rooting for 3 major things.

1. Super Man holds double black hole.

2.GT is not cannon.

3. Super man can fly faster than the speed of light.

The process of arguing has in a oversimplification 2 things. The premises and conclusion. Your premises suk for a conclusion of Superman wins. To put this in more simple terms for your mind, unless you put more valid premises into your argument you have committed what is called an invlaid argument. A invalid argument is an argument who’s premises do not correctly support its conclusion. They have a term for this I learned it in my Logic class(Yes I take classes on Logic!). Its called Ignoratio Elenchi, which in Latin means irrelevant conclusion. Let me give you an example and show you how you are committing it. It's gonna be fun
😆

Here is an example of Ignoratio Elenchi:

Baseball player Mark McGwire just retired. Clearly, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. After all, he's such a nice guy, and he gives a lot of money to all sorts of charities. (Friendliness and charity are not qualifications for induction into the Hall of Fame, therefore they do not support the conclusion.)

After reading this I assume you understand what an irrelevant conclusion is. NOw let me show you how you’re doing it. These are not direct quotes from you but after reading through this forum I have composed a little summary of your premises and conclusion, I’m just putting it in simpler terms to get my point across.

Superman can fly fast, can hold double black holes, and the Goku from GT doesn’t count so Superman beats Goku. (Speed of flight has nothing to do with combat ability unless your running away, neither does "amazing" strength when your opponent has the ability to dodge all of your attacks seeing them before you throw them, and just because GT didnt happen means nothing. I fail to see at all how that ties into a fight between Superman and Goku.: there fore your premises do not support the conclusion)

Why I have evidence of gravity. . . oh wait, evidence is illogical. . .

The guy never said evidence is illogical please in your words poove that. You totally took what he said out of context, out of your inability to comprehend what he wrote. Try reading slower next time it may help you understand better.

I'll hold back on the rest that I have to say to you because I hate wasting time. Until then you do your publishing research and show me the rules. You know the ones that Japan has and America has. Specifically im talking about the ones that reside in Japan that state that: If a Creator of an anime is heavily involved with one of his creations (but not drawing it and stuff) that it doesn’t count as cannon. Also please show to me how this is strictly a Japanese only thing.

Please bring better premises to this argument or I will be unable to take it seriously. Forgive me If I missed any of your premises I’ll be sure to put them in my next post if you just restate em for me, but after all I have read you do not seem to have much substance or validity to your arguments, or your logic for that matter.

Oh and for the record Creshosk. A doujinshi is totally a fan thing. Its a comic book drawn by a fan of another comic and does not involve the creator what so ever. Its like Fan Fiction. Of course its not cannon. Dragon Ball GT is NOT a doujinshi. Akira Toriyama was involved(however the relevance of GT being cannon or not does in no way help your argument, as I already explained to you about the Ignoratio Elenchi) You’re a fool and you make me laugh hard.Proove it

^^
THE HORSE HAD DIED, BEEN RESSURECTED, KILLED AGAIN, AND SENT TO HELL

Superman wins.clapping

Superman wins.

Failure to bring Valid Argument to the table will resort in no one taking you seriously.

Originally posted by SeerQris
Failure to bring Valid Argument to the table will resort in no one taking you seriously.

I've aready gave my reasons why Superman whould win. But I'm still waiting for someone to bring feats of Goku's being greater than Superman's. So far hes stronger, faster, more durable, and has better stamina. 🙂 Supe wins. 😄

I've aready gave my reasons why Superman whould win. But I'm still waiting for someone to bring feats of Goku's being greater than Superman's. So far hes stronger, faster, more durable, and has better stamina. Supe wins.

Well in that case you have nothing else to say. 😄

Also if your looking for some facts, if you look back even just 1 page you will see many. Happy Reading.

Originally posted by dvampire
I've aready gave my reasons why Superman whould win. But I'm still waiting for someone to bring feats of Goku's being greater than Superman's. So far hes stronger, faster, more durable, and has better stamina. 🙂 Supe wins. 😄

I put quite a few reasons withinn all my posts,

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
cresh.... You in a world of your own... I think you know your wrong, but just like trying to win a debate..[/]b

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
[B]lets look at the facts....
Black hole.... Is a theory(acording to you)..Theres loads of proof for them....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
so how is superman escaping it is a feat???

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Gravity....Is a theory...

Yes, that's the part you are forgetting, to be proven it needs to be tested. . . sine noone has encountered a black hole, it's never been tested, thus never been proven.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Theres no proof of how it works...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Only that one atom is drawn towards another...but gravity is cannon????

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
supervise - To have the charge and direction of; superintend.

watch and [b]direct; "Who is overseeing this project?": keep tabs on; keep an eye on; keep under surveillance

If akira toriyama didnt like the way the project was going (in this case, if he didnt like the storyline according to his universe), he would have, and at sometime durring the creation of dragonball GT, more than likely did do just that. Highlighting my sentence in red only strengthened my point. Reading the next sentence also helps.

Just becasue toriyamas literally hand holding a pen didnt touch the paper to write the story throws it out? Dont be silly. Ive substained all of my claims, Putting logic behind them. Please dont put words in my mouth, i dont like the taste.[/b]

Pretty evident there.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
And your finest sentence :

"Not at all. If you knew the laws about publishing things, you'd know that they are different in the US as opposed to Japan."

Im convinced you dont read what you write. Since when do laws govern whether show is canon to its universe or not? I didnt know that law existed. Must be in the consti[b]toonsion.

Sorry for the pun. Lol.
Almost as silly as your claim. [/B]

Doujinshi however is not canon, as it does not require the permission of the original author to create. And can have stories that totally go against the main story.

Originally posted by SeerQris
Hey Creshosk [B]Proove it Im starting to get the feeling that your self proclaimed publishing knowledge is utterly trash.[/b]

Originally posted by SeerQris
After my brief read through of this forum you seem to be rooting for 3 major things.

1. Super Man holds double black hole.

2.GT is not cannon.

3. Super man can fly faster than the speed of light.

The process of arguing has in a oversimplification 2 things. The premises and conclusion. Your premises suk for a conclusion of Superman wins. To put this in more simple terms for your mind, unless you put more valid premises into your argument you have committed what is called an invlaid argument. A invalid argument is an argument who’s premises do not correctly support its conclusion. They have a term for this I learned it in my Logic class(Yes I take classes on Logic!). Its called Ignoratio Elenchi, which in Latin means irrelevant conclusion. Let me give you an example and show you how you are committing it. It's gonna be fun
😆

Here is an example of Ignoratio Elenchi:

Baseball player Mark McGwire just retired. Clearly, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. After all, he's such a nice guy, and he gives a lot of money to all sorts of charities. (Friendliness and charity are not qualifications for induction into the Hall of Fame, therefore they do not support the conclusion.)

After reading this I assume you understand what an irrelevant conclusion is. NOw let me show you how you’re doing it. These are not direct quotes from you but after reading through this forum I have composed a little summary of your premises and conclusion, I’m just putting it in simpler terms to get my point across.

Superman can fly fast, can hold double black holes, and the Goku from GT doesn’t count so Superman beats Goku. (Speed of flight has nothing to do with combat ability unless your running away, neither does "amazing" strength when your opponent has the ability to dodge all of your attacks seeing them before you throw them, and just because GT didnt happen means nothing. I fail to see at all how that ties into a fight between Superman and Goku.: there fore your premises do not support the conclusion)

The guy never said evidence is illogical please in your words poove that. You totally took what he said out of context, out of your inability to comprehend what he wrote. Try reading slower next time it may help you understand better.

I'll hold back on the rest that I have to say to you because I hate wasting time. Until then you do your publishing research and show me the rules. You know the ones that Japan has and America has. Specifically im talking about the ones that reside in Japan that state that: If a Creator of an anime is heavily involved with one of his creations (but not drawing it and stuff) that it doesn’t count as cannon. Also please show to me how this is strictly a Japanese only thing.

Please bring better premises to this argument or I will be unable to take it seriously. Forgive me If I missed any of your premises I’ll be sure to put them in my next post if you just restate em for me, but after all I have read you do not seem to have much substance or validity to your arguments, or your logic for that matter.

Oh and for the record Creshosk. A doujinshi is totally a fan thing. Its a comic book drawn by a fan of another comic and does not involve the creator what so ever. Its like Fan Fiction. Of course its not cannon. Dragon Ball GT is NOT a doujinshi. Akira Toriyama was involved(however the relevance of GT being cannon or not does in no way help your argument, as I already explained to you about the Ignoratio Elenchi) You’re a fool and you make me laugh hard.[B]Proove it [/B]

What's funny is you attack, and then support my arguments. 😛

So, which site did you copy and paste those definitions from?

You clearly don't understand what they truly mean. If you did you'd see they aren't irealevent conclusions.

Superman has survived a black hole -> Nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him.

Superman's durability > Damage done by blackhole

Goku's damage output has not been shown on this thread to be at the level a black hole can do.

Until this evidence is shown, there is nothing to support Goku's damage output being able to harm Superman.

Superman has escaped a black hole, as has been stated before, you'd need to go at least light speed to escape a black hole. Since Superman did, that means he can acheive escape velocity: "At least the speed of light."

Goku's speed has also not been shown to be able to hit this speed. "at least the speed of light.

GT isn't canon,

"A doujinshi is totally a fan thing. Its a comic book drawn by a fan of another comic and does not involve the creator what so ever. "

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Toriyama was not directly involved with Dragonball GT

It's pretty clear from these two statements that GT isn't canon.

The both of you said it yourselves.

"Akira Toriyama was not directly involved in GT"
"Its a comic book drawn by a fan of another comic and does not involve the creator what so ever. Its like Fan Fiction. Of course its not cannon."

Therefore GT isn't cannon

feats and events that take place in GT are not cannon, so are as viable as fanfiction.

And are no more cannon than the comic I posted earlier.

If GT is cannon so is the comic I posted earlier that Akira Toriyama also was not involved in.

Originally posted by SeerQris
Well in that case you have nothing else to say. 😄

Also if your looking for some facts, if you look back even just 1 page you will see many. Happy Reading.

I see no Valid Arguments on Page 1.

"Because it's DBZ" is not a valid argument.

So much for you understasnding your own arguments then eh?

Creshock, edit your post while you can, your post is so full of out of context statements, im excited. Im going to take time on this one. Give me a few minutes.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Creshock, edit your post while you can, your post is so full of out of context statements, im excited. Im going to take time on this one. Give me a few minutes.

"Akira Toriyama was not directly involved in GT"

And then:

"Its a comic book drawn by a fan of another comic and does not involve the creator what so ever. Its like Fan Fiction. Of course its not cannon."

Supervision is direct involvment.

Im So happy that you have responded with this utter garbage. I have to pick a friend up from the airport in when I come back im gonna bust your last topic open. Im beside myself with anticipation.

See u then.

yes i suggest you edit your last post because its full of holes. if you dont i fear everyone on the board will understand the level of your stupidity.

Hope u stay on late tonight im up for a nice long discusion.

You can both try. Though I'm sure that since asking for proof of your claims is illogical, you aren't going to try and back them up anyway.

Of course if you did take that logic class you'd know that proof is an essential part of a debate, or even proving something. Of course since you obviously don't know this, since I had to tell you just now, then obviously you never learned it before hand. And where would one learn such a thing?

lol, that logic class of yours you supposedly took.

Still waiting for the first guy and his sock to attempt to copy and paste from some website to avoid providing evidence of their claims.

Allright. Lets get started.

Where to begin?

Lets start with your constantly evolving, "changing" is more fitting, opinion on gt not being canon, which i have proven several times. I will point out why your statements are baseless and unclear, leading me to believe you have changed your words becuase you are incorrect.
Might i add, you have taken my words out of context several times now, often takeing sentences and splitting them in half.

Things aren't the same in Japan as they are here I'm affraid. In Japan it's only canon if its the original creator. America is different since you have to get permission to publish something, unlike doujin

Director: Minoru Okazaki
Music: Shunsuke Kikuchi
Original creator: Akira Toriyama
Character Design: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru
Art director: Takashi Yoshilike
Assistant producer: Seiichi Hiruta
Background Music: Akito Tokunaga
Chief Scenario Director: Aya Matsui
Music Composition:
Akihito Tokunaga (background)
Tetsuro Oda (Op & Ed)
Original Lyrics:
Izumi Sakai (Op)
Syuuichi Ikemori (Ed)
Producer: Kozo Morishita
Theme Song Performance:
Deen (ED1)
Field of View (OP)
Shizuka Kudou (ED3)
Wands (ED4)
Zard (ED2)

Because my argument is sound and logical, i am not required to submit proof, i am merely doing you a favor -- The proof lies withinn the argument.

Now According to your first statement (I will put it up again to remind you of your exact words)

Things aren't the same in Japan as they are here I'm affraid. In Japan it's only canon if its the original creator. America is different since you have to get permission to publish something, unlike doujin

Its hard to excuse your way out of something so clear. Short of manipulation. By the way, this law you just created? doesnt exist. The statement above actually, is false. Their is no universal rule book of comic/tv canon nature, it is up to the authors disgression, and in this case, akira toriyama created this series. He then chose to oversee it as he was trying to launch his business, that way he did not have to spend as much time on his series, but at the same time could still be involved in his work .

Not at all. If you knew the laws about publishing things, you'd know that they are different in the US as opposed to Japan

Now this is where you retracted your argument a little and augmented it. I ask you this. Would it make sense for publishing laws to come in to your own creation, and tell you because if in the event you decided to switch authors, your creation is no longer legit, even though you have given them permission to write your creation?. Not true. This imaginary law is absurd, and non existant. I challenge you to find the law that states the following:

"In the event that the original creator decides to pass the torch onto another creator, his comic book/tv show will no longer be valid withinn its own rules, and all storyline thereafter will be classified as non legit, as governed by us, the legislators."

Lets move on.

Now in this quote:

"Toriyama was not directly involved with GT"

Think of it like this.

A man is attempting to somehow disproove christianity, he believes that if he can proove jesus died, and did not rise again, he can disproove christianity. So he takes the following scripture.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 :
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.

Now in an act of deciet, he cuts off every word past died, and takes out the word if. so the sentence looks more like this.

For we believe that Jesus died.

Notice how the scripture is grossly disfigured, and has an entirely different meaning. This example is used to illustrate that sentences must be read entirely, and in thier context according to the subject matter.
In this case, here is my original quote.

Toriyama was not directly involved with Dragonball GT, but he did supervise the development.

Lets move on.

Not at all. In japan you can publish your doujinshi whenever you want.
Doujinshi however is not canon, as it does not require the permission of the original author to create. And can have stories that totally go against the main story.
.

Lets move on.

Now This is where you begin to mix quotes and create a confusing mess, which infact led you say that we said something that was absolutely not true. Becuase you quoted incomplete sentences, and took two things out of context and put them together, it gave you the illusion that we were somehow contradictive of ourselfs, or, myself, rather.
Lets examine what you said.

It's pretty clear from these two statements that GT isn't canon.

The both of you said it yourselves.

"Akira Toriyama was not directly involved in GT"
"Its a comic book drawn by a fan of another comic and does not involve the creator what so ever. Its like Fan Fiction. Of course its not cannon."

Therefore GT isn't cannon

feats and events that take place in GT are not cannon, so are as viable as fanfiction.

And are no more cannon than the comic I posted earlier.

If GT is cannon so is the comic I posted earlier that Akira Toriyama also was not involved in.

The second part was from an entirely different post, and was in reference to dojinshi. It was a result of your statement :

Why does another person assembling things about something make it canon?
I can go to Japan and make a dojinshi, get it published and have Goku being beaten bya single blade of grass, and it'll become canon?

Dojinshi is unrelated and like you said earlier, created by fans, and is not approved to be a part of the series by the original creator (unless of course, he decides to approve it for some reason). This would declassify dragonball gt as canon, if only for the fact the following was not true.
Original creator: Akira Toriyama
Also takeing into account that akira toriyama oversaw the project in its entireity. And also takeing into account that he gave toei permission to work on it.
This directly conflicts with your statement earlier, as i have allready stated which can be found my scrolling up a little.
The conclusion of this should be derived by now.

I have pointed out a few direct misquotes and statements pulled out context from your rebuttle, becuase you took several quotes and meshed them together incorrectly in such a manner that one could infact be decieved into reading the wrong information, because it was not resubmitted correctly. Instead, edited to suit your argument. Such propagandus actions are unbenificial to your case and only ruin your credibility. The burden of proof does not lie on me because i have submitted proof in my argument, as it has validity.

(Submitted early, so am starting a new post)

Superman has survived a black hole -> Nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him.

This logic is mostly incorrect..
Lets break this into several analigies.
"I have been shot in the chest by a bullet, i survived, nothing less than a bullet can hurt me."
The above quote is not true to the human saying it. This analigy would almost work, but not literally because the situation with superman would not make sense, seeing bullets dont hurt him. There are extra variables. So lets put this on terms that make more sense to superman.

Say a man allows someone to punch him in the face, in the hardest fasion he can take without takeing visible damage. The man takes it, and is unphazed by it. You could call this pain tolerance, resistance, and a strong, "durable" face. Now hit this same man, 10, 11, 12, 13 more times at the same veolcity, he may begin to waver, becuase this is where stamina (basicly the same word), -- durability, comes in. You could apply this to superman. Also, im not sure what you mean by more powerful that a black hole, and im not even sure you do.
Kryptonite, technically, is not as "Strong", does not deliver that "double black hole punch" your looking for. Yet it cripples superman. But for the sake of reasoning, because this is his weakness, you could essentially say that the kryptonite is stronger than a blackhole, to superman. Regardless, this imposes that superman can be hurt by strong forces other than "black hole durability/force" or whatever you would like to call it.

Another point. I can withstand a 100 pound object resting on my foot, (under certian gravataic paramaters) whereas, i cannot withstand being hit by a 100 pound object traveling at 30 miles per hour. A black hole harnesses a different kind of force, than something like a jab, a punch, a blast, or an explosion would. Scientificly, there are different elements involved. So to assume superman is immune to attacks weaker than "double black hole durability" is not logical, because if this was the case, superman would be immune to physical damage, and would not need durability, whatsoever. Should a very strong man be struck in the face at 1/2 what he can absorb, eventually he will become worn down and the 1/2 punches will feel like full forces punches. Why? Durability has its limits.

In simpler terms, the force of say, a punch, involves momentum, time, velocity, mass, and accelleration,
on the other hand, a black hole would involve, mass, the event horizon, gravity, singularity, the size of the hole, and alot of things you couldent neccessairily directly apply to the other.

Applying the force of a black hole to something else is something im afraid even you dont understand. How do you replicate a black hole in a punch? that doesnt make sense.
"man, he punches as hard as a black hole" What exactly does that mean?
Understand, different types of force create different effects. Essentially, the only thing this would mean is superman would die intact, instead of being flattened.

Due to the nature of your last post I am obliged to defend my honor in the most thorough of ways. The number of statements that you have made that are to be consider ridiculous are high in amount. I have composed this post into three sections.

The first will be what I call "The Busting" In this section I shall tear down each accusation etc… you have made against me while setting you correct with evidence.

The Second part is something I call “The Lesson” in which I will explain to you why your form of arguing is inadequate and by all means inefficient to get your weak point across.

Then Finally the last part will be what I call “The Wrap Up” This section will basically be a free for all in which I will say whatever else I feel is necessary to defend my claims and or open up new challenges for you. Please enjoy, it’ gonna be fun. For me, I hope so for you also. You might learn something.

Part one The Busting

I see no Valid Arguments on Page 1.

Also if your looking for some facts, if you look back even just 1 page you will see many. Happy Reading.

It seems that you’re not reading the post sir. I did not say first page I said even a page back. This is a minor busting but I have so many to do I wont go in depth with it.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by SeerQris
Hey Creshosk Proove it Im starting to get the feeling that your self proclaimed publishing knowledge is utterly trash.

You say this and yet you'll later support my claims. . . Funny that.

Here is an example where you completely take my words out of context( u do it later in your post again but I wont go over it for now, just hope u learn to take things in context in the future, don’t want to make u look too much like a fool). I hope I don’t have to explain to you what that means. For one, in no way have I supported your claim. I was making a distinction for you. To show you that DBGT is NOT a Doujinshi. Therefore it is NOT fake. DBGT is just like a spider man comic. They get permision to say certain things just like the creators of DBGT got permision to do certain stuff. Its not willy nilly story creation. So to restate NO I am not supporting your claim. I think I have provided adequate proof of this so I will go on to the next busting.

What's funny is you attack, and then support my arguments.

So, which site did you copy and paste those definitions from?

You clearly don't understand what they truly mean. If you did you'd see they aren't irealevent conclusions.

Superman has survived a black hole -> Nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him.

Superman's durability > Damage done by blackhole

Goku's damage output has not been shown on this thread to be at the level a black hole can do.

Until this evidence is shown, there is nothing to support Goku's damage output being able to harm Superman.

Superman has escaped a black hole, as has been stated before, you'd need to go at least light speed to escape a black hole. Since Superman did, that means he can acheive escape velocity: "At least the speed of light."

Goku's speed has also not been shown to be able to hit this speed. "at least the speed of light.

GT isn't canon,

"A doujinshi is totally a fan thing. Its a comic book drawn by a fan of another comic and does not involve the creator what so ever. "

Which site did I copy and paste these from? For the record I copy and pasted one thing from a website, It was in my example for Ignoratio Elenchi(only the baseball player example). I didnt feel like making one up myself(im lazy), as for all the definitions they are from my head which I learned in my Logic class. The name of the book I read to acquire this info is titled LOGIC: Techniques of Formal Reasoning second edition by Kalish, Montague, and Mar. If you would like to know the exact pages of where I learned the definitions just ask I will be more than happy to tell you the page numbers, Its a great book for beginning Logic, I would recommend you take a peek at it. Its a college level book so I dunno how you will take to it as your intelligence seems to be so rudimentary in what I have seen so far.

For further analysis of your statement in the event that I did acquire the info from the internet instead of a book would it have mattered? There are plenty sites out there with valid info such as internet encyclopedias etc. From now on anything found from the web will be in * * quotes like that. So that we no longer have to have you questioning my credentials. But be assured if ever you do, I will be ready to provide you with the materials from which I obtained the knowledge etc.

Also in the above quote you also said. “You clearly don't understand what they truly mean. If you did you'd see they aren't irealevent conclusions.”

Of course I understand buddy, I did quite well in the class. They don’t give out good grades to those that don’t understand do they? Well that is another debate. I don’t know what further proof I can offer u on this so we will continue.

Your next statement was. “Superman has survived a black hole -> Nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him.
“
Funny, almost looks like you tried to use one of the logic symbols in this one in an attempt to appeal to my level So I will read it like a logical sentence. This is a typical if P then Q situation. So what you’re saying is.(you will know what I’m talking about if u have any knowledge on logic, I’m hoping u do but it doesn’t seem that way)

IF Superman has survived a black hole THEN nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him.

If it didn’t sound stupid to you when I put it that way let me help you understand how incredibly stupid this sounds.

It’s like me saying that: IF I have survived a bullet to the chest THEN nothing less powerful than a bullet will harm me.

Doesn’t this sound absolutely ridiculous to you? If not I question your intelligence further and cannot truly take u seriously. Even right now as I write this I wonder if you are at all serious, and I feel like the jokes on me sometimes. But whatever.

So what I want you to do is PROOVE to me that just because Superman has survived a black hole THEN nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him. Because I never knew that rule existed anywhere in Supermans world but if it does than I am wrong.

Next you wrote “Superman's durability > Damage done by blackhole.

Goku's damage output has not been shown on this thread to be at the level a black hole can do.

Until this evidence is shown, there is nothing to support Goku's damage output being able to harm Superman.”

So you are saying Supes durability is greater than the damage done by a black hole and therefore nothing that isn’t stronger than a black hole cannot hurt supes.

Let us put this into perspective. For one does it make sense to gauge strength in terms of a black hole? Certainly not. Incoming Sarcastic sentence. “That guy is as strong as a black hole”

Black holes are not strong in this sense and you are taking them out of the context of which they should logically be used. The black hole did not “fight” super man. From what you have written he flew out of it and held it in his hand(correct me if I am wrong).

Flying out of a black hole only proves that you have overcome the force of a black hole it does not mean that the force of the Black Hole actually hit you in the face or chest etc. Think about lifting weights. U can lift something heavy, but if it where thrown at you just becuz you could lift it doesn’t mean its not gonna hurt you when applied against you in a mass times acceleration formula which equals force.(yes I have taken 2 years of physics. Care for the credentials on that? I cant say I’ll give u my student number but I can tell you the prof’s and books just ask ^_^.) So, What I am saying is that It does not matter that Superman Overcame the force of a black hole. He did not get HIT by it. There is not such thing as getting HIT by a black hole tho so its silly that you would even try to argue it from this angle, its illogical.

Sorry bout this next one its so bogus just had to put it, you said
“Superman did, that means he can achieve escape velocity: "At least the speed of light."

This is wrong. Now in all reality a black hole has no escape velocity becuz one does not exist for it since nothing escapes a black hole. Since superman did he is defying physics which means that many of the scientific things U and everyone and me are saying do not count in some cases. Escape velocity does not have anything to do with the speed of light, go take a damn physics course. For the record escape velocity is the speed required to leave orbits of a body of mass like the earth etc. And yes superman can achieve the “alleged” escape velocity of a black hole (Keep in mind it doesn’t exist it breaks all physics) but once again this attest to his speed alone.

So since we are talking about speed lets talk about the difference between Instant and Calculable. Goku has instant teleportation, be where he wants when he wants INSTANLY. Superman must travel at a Calculable speed.

An almost imperceptible space of time. See Synonyms at moment.

Thats the definition of instant. Went to DICTIONARY .com Sorry for using an internet source, you seem to think that’s a taboo. This means that Goku is so fast that it cannot be sensed. WOW!!! PREETTY FAST. The speed of light is not instant it is calculable an actual number so there u go.

Man this is getting long but I must go on.

There were other things I wanted to bust but I must go on with the second part.

Part 2 The Lesson

Of course if you did take that logic class you'd know that proof is an essential part of a debate, or even proving something. Of course since you obviously don't know this, since I had to tell you just now, then obviously you never learned it before hand. And where would one learn such a thing?

lol, that logic class of yours you supposedly took.

Ok. Here is a quick lesson for you(I learned it in logic class).
In a logical argument the proof is in the premises, or the claims. If your argument is logical the conclusion can be derived from the premises. In other words the premises should be the proof, however in your case they have not been, And have been invalid arguments, you fail to understand this, when I laid it out for you earlier plain as day and I’m so tired of explaining that I’ll just redirect you to my earlier post so that you can “get it”. An argument requiring extra “proof” is a poorly constructed one and not very logical. If I said There’s no such thing as Apples. This would be an illogical argument as it would require way too many proofs. And it would have no real valid premises. As your statements have been for a quick refreshment this is not a direct quote from you but basically what you were saying.

IF Superman has survived a black hole THEN nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him.

Your premises have all sucked and you quite frankly need a lesson in debate.

If you just read your stuff you will notice that you have side stepped many claims made against you. Specifically speaking about the ones I made against you in my last post. You did not come back with evidence you only sidestepped it. Please for the sake of good argument. When someone challenges your knowledge please come back with valid data points etc or else no one will take you seriously. When you get challenged your credentials are on the line, in your last post you failed to come back with valid info on your supposed publishing knowledge in which I asked you a very specific question on. Let me re-say it as you seem to have forgotten about it or you as I am saying just sidestepped it.

I'll hold back on the rest that I have to say to you because I hate wasting time. Until then you do your publishing research and show me the rules. You know the ones that Japan has and America has. Specifically im talking about the ones that reside in Japan that state that: If a Creator of an anime is heavily involved with one of his creations (but not drawing it and stuff) that it doesn’t count as cannon. Also please show to me how this is strictly a Japanese only thing.

So now I think that you know nothing about it at all, this is until your prove me wrong.(if).

Your style of argument is weak. You have not defended yourself when challenged and only go around asking others to prove themselves. I think it is you that has more “proving” to do.

I have clearly challenged your premises for this argument and you have failed to back them up with any sort of reasonable or valid response in the context of which I challenged you.

Do some research and try again.

Part 3 The Wrap Up

Well I’m really sleepy now so I don’t know what else to say. Other than if your next post does not defend my challenges against you properly, I will no longer be able to take you seriously. You must provide evidence when challenged or else be considered a sidestepper, which I have called you out on. If you feel that I have not provided enough evidence in any area of this post feel free to call me out on it and I will warmly set you straight.

Oh yeah I almost forgot. Don’t forget to defend yourself on this one.

So what I want you to do is PROOVE to me that just because Superman has survived a black hole THEN nothing less powerful than a black hole will harm him..

I look forward to it. Also earlier when you spoke about me agreeing with one of your claims, I wasn’t. But in the event that I was does that mean I agree with you? NO. I can agree with a claim you make and still disagree with your argument, just wanna get that out in the light for you.

-Cheers

Blah blah blah *yawn*

Yup no proof, just a lot of false speech based on a guy and his sock's opinion.