Goku v. Superman

Originally posted by TheQuincy
Creshosk, Superman is not faster than Goku.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
Do you even know who Goku is?

Originally posted by TheQuincy
Can superman destroy a planet in one blast? NO!

Originally posted by TheQuincy
superman gets hurt if like, a robot punches him in the chest.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
He struggles with everything. You're logic is invalid, You're just FANBOY

Meh this topic is pretty much pointless the comic fans have put the extent of DBZ somewhere between Spiderman and the Things strength not for an argument but apparently to piss off DBZ fans

Superman has a handful of times showed Rediculous power usually because a crappy writer forgot that he has limits in the post-crisis era.Sups was being swatted like a fly by an insane Martian Manhunter in recent storylines and he was hardly showing "Planet smashing" power.For speed Ive seen him QUITE RECENTLY recorded as reaching a little over 2000 MPH while the Flash made him look slower than erosion a couple of panels later

Anyways Saiyan Saga Vegeta got nailed with a Kamehamaha from Goku that was stronger than the attack Vegeta planned on blowing up Earth with.He gets nailed and hurt but everntually rolls off it and keeps fighting.He had a PL of sligftly under 20K at the time .AT in SJ interviews gave his last mention of PLs and rated SSJ2 Kid Gohan at 300 million

Now go find me the weakest character/force/thing that can destroy a planet in a comic book than increase his power a good 15.000 times and see how that one stacks up to Superman and we can have a good basis for compairson of mid-late series DBZ characters

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Meh this topic is pretty much pointless the comic fans have put the extent of DBZ somewhere between Spiderman and the Things strength not for an argument but apparently to piss off DBZ fans

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Superman has a handful of times showed Rediculous power usually because a crappy writer forgot that he has limits in the post-crisis era.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Sups was being swatted like a fly by an insane Martian Manhunter in recent storylines and he was hardly showing "Planet smashing" power.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
For speed Ive seen him QUITE RECENTLY recorded as reaching a little over 2000 MPH while the Flash made him look slower than erosion a couple of panels later

It's CIS.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Anyways Saiyan Saga Vegeta got nailed with a Kamehamaha from Goku that was stronger than the attack Vegeta planned on blowing up Earth with.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
He gets nailed and hurt but everntually rolls off it and keeps fighting.He had a PL of sligftly under 20K at the time .AT in SJ interviews gave his last mention of PLs and rated SSJ2 Kid Gohan at 300 million

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Now go find me the weakest character/force/thing that can destroy a planet in a comic book than increase his power a good 15.000 times and see how that one stacks up to Superman and we can have a good basis for compairson of mid-late series DBZ characters

Originally posted by Creshosk
Pssh, not that low. Not at all. Goku could pretty much whip any Marvel earthbased heroes. He could do pretty well up high too. . . He might be at skyfather level though. I'm not sure if he could take out Odin. . .

Or they're building up to the Crisis again. . which they are. . . Superman's limits have been consistantly pushed further and further back.

All of the characters. . .

He holds back when on earth as I've discovered. . . Flash is powered by the speed force, which shields the rest of the earth from him. If superman who is not sppedforce shielded goes too fast you get a matrix effect. . .

It's CIS.

Again, blowing up planets in the DBZverse is not that impressive. . .

And what do these numbers actually mean? And how well do they translate into other mediums?

Destroying a planet isn't that impressive, as I've said before. . .

Actually you make some great and importasnt points here i gotta mention.DBZ doesnt use the same scale as DC comic book characters for determining characters strengths and they are REALLY hard to fairly compair so much so that we me never get a proper answer

There are 2 reasons i belicve The DBZ characters are rediculoysly overpowered

1] Even at the earliest parts of the series characters were already bullet proo f[Kid Goku takes is strong enough to throw cars and small arms fire does little but annoy him].The characters take constant and exponential leaps in strength throughout the series.The number of and length of leaps in strength dont happen at a level that you see in comicdom and even some of the weaker characters [lets say Hourman] had equivelent leaps in power they would be WAY off the scale

2 Kaio-ken established that PL was releative to all characters strengths.Goku explained that Kaio-ken doubles his PL
strength speed senses etc. and he eventually uses up to a X10 version and against frieza brielf uses a X20.If say Spiderman increased his strength 20X he would be in the 200 ton range way outranking the Thors and Wonder Womans of the world.Now Goku gets SSJ making Kaio-ken obsolete without the massive dain enabling him to beat Frieza.This puts him over 10 mill and doesnt even go into his 300+ Mill SSJ2

Oh I get it. you're one of those posters who backs up claims by saying "we'll PROVE ME WRONG?" because they have no proof of their OWN claims. Everyone here knows superman would get his ass absolutely KICKED by Goku. Goku can do the instant transmission. That's faster than the speed of sound. One kamehameha, and Superman is dead. And whip out some krypton, and he's beaten so bad it's scarring to little children.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
Oh I get it. you're one of those posters who backs up claims by saying "we'll PROVE ME WRONG?" because they have no proof of their OWN claims.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
Everyone here knows superman would get his ass absolutely KICKED by Goku.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
Goku can do the instant transmission.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
That's faster than the speed of sound.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
One kamehameha, and Superman is dead.

Originally posted by TheQuincy
And whip out some krypton,

Originally posted by TheQuincy
and he's beaten so bad it's scarring to little children.

Wow, you didn't give any proof. Just coolness arguments which are invalid. 😉

Originally posted by Creshosk
I've given proof. 🙂

Ad populem is an invalid argument. And does not consitute as proof. 🙂

Speed of thought, not faster than light. 🙂

Superman is faster than the speed of light. 🙂

Hardly, Superman takes planet busting shots, Never seen a kamehameha blow up a planet. Seen ones that strike cause large explosions, but doesn't destroy the planet.

Krypton[b]ite. Goku doesn't have Kyrptonite I'm affraid.

Goku would be. Goku still has done nothing to compare to a double black hole.

Wow, you didn't give any proof. Just coolness arguments which are invalid. 😉 [/B]

Nothing in DC goes faster than the speed of light without running smack dab into the speed force especially not Superman.Next Supermans been layed out by many more shots that were hardly "Planet smashing" than he ahs absorbed such in a VERY small selection of stories

Next you never seen a Kamahamaha destroy a planet?Well ive never seen Sups pull that off either,In fact ive never seen him lift a mailbox either so he must be too weak for that too [Gokus Kaio-kenX3Kamahamaha>Planet breaking Galic Gun]

I dont see why goku can't beat superman, the thing is his upper levels hadn't been properly tested, it was "more powerful", but the other guy was comparable, so it was the same thing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I dont see why goku can't beat superman, the thing is his upper levels hadn't been properly tested, it was "more powerful", but the other guy was comparable, so it was the same thing.

Theres actually another problem with DBZ.It was never made to go past the Frieza saga and the whole series exists in a state thats pretty hard to belive because they actually got stronger compared to that point

It would be like taking DC 1 Million Superman and instead of leaving well enough alone having it run another 2 stories and making Superman Prime even stronger and creating something he couldnt handle.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Nothing in DC goes faster than the speed of light without running smack dab into the speed force especially not Superman.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Next Supermans been layed out by many more shots that were hardly "Planet smashing" than he ahs absorbed such in a VERY small selection of stories

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Next you never seen a Kamahamaha destroy a planet?Well ive never seen Sups pull that off either,In fact ive never seen him lift a mailbox either so he must be too weak for that too [Gokus Kaio-kenX3Kamahamaha>Planet breaking Galic Gun]

Originally posted by EvilCap America
Theres actually another problem with DBZ.It was never made to go past the Frieza saga and the whole series exists in a state thats pretty hard to belive because they actually got stronger compared to that point

It would be like taking DC 1 Million Superman and instead of leaving well enough alone having it run another 2 stories and making Superman Prime even stronger and creating something he couldnt handle.

cresh you talk of others not using logic, and then you come out with;
"Right which is why when the Kamehameha does hit the planet it just creates a large explosion. . . and doesn't destroy the planet."
Do you think you can constantly jump round the problem??

Freezer distroyed planets at 1million powerlevel... gokus 300+million powerlevel is far past that....

Face it cresh supes is doomed... but freat not... goku will leave him out in the sun afterwoods and he could be revived...

Oh and you mean to tell me that superman lives on power from the sun... that once absorbed never runs out.... his cells use the light in his mitocondria to reatach a pi group to his atp.... he cant reuse light once its used...

Interesting point hm...
Thats the thing with dbz though, after frieza saga, everything was the same, no feats to compare at all...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
cresh you talk of others not using logic, and then you come out with;
"Right which is why when the Kamehameha does hit the planet it just creates a large explosion. . . and doesn't destroy the planet."
Do you think you can constantly jump round the problem??

Freezer distroyed planets at 1million powerlevel... gokus 300+million powerlevel is far past that....

Face it cresh supes is doomed... but freat not... goku will leave him out in the sun afterwoods and he could be revived...

Oh and you mean to tell me that superman lives on power from the sun... that once absorbed never runs out.... his cells use the light in his mitocondria to reatach a pi group to his atp.... he cant reuse light once its used...

He destroyed the planet by hitting the core with his Death Ball. Goku gets hit by punches and kicks that are far less than Supermans punching power. SSJ2 Goku struggles to push a moutain apart, and gets hit by nuking and moutain destroying blast ( not planet destroying blast). Supes has survived a double black hole and other insane things. Superman wins in speed, strength, durability, and stamina. 🙂

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
cresh you talk of others not using logic, and then you come out with;
"Right which is why when the Kamehameha does hit the planet it just creates a large explosion. . . and doesn't destroy the planet."
Do you think you can constantly jump round the problem??

Where the logic in saying "the kamehameha can blow up planets." when that's precisley what it doesn't do?

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Freezer distroyed planets at 1million powerlevel... gokus 300+million powerlevel is far past that....

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Face it cresh supes is doomed...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
but freat not... goku will leave him out in the sun afterwoods and he could be revived...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Oh and you mean to tell me that superman lives on power from the sun... that once absorbed never runs out.... his cells use the light in his mitocondria to reatach a pi group to his atp.... he cant reuse light once its used...

the kamehameha isn't suppose to blow up planets... in one episode goku clearly says " Don't put that much energy into it, it will blow up the planet..." so hes holding back on his energy so that if he does miss, it only blows up a mountain...(which is still more then supes eye lasers can do, without him flying off to outerspace) If goku put more energy into the kame, it would take out the earth...

Supes can't reach lightspeed in the earths atmosphere, his comics have stipulated that in his world he would cause problems... Goku on the otherhand has never caused any problems when using IT in earths atmosphere.... Advantage Goku....

Unfortuantly I don't collect supes comics... anyone know where I can get scans???

Goku's and other DB characters control over the energy blasts they emit seems to be very high, they can change the power charge in a matter of seconds or less when required.
Goku's speed has never been clocked to be lightspeed, tough it's certainly high.He's certainly over the Mach 100 traveling speed.
Supes heat vision is anyway underrated, it can melt or make things explode, it's a blast of concussive force and heat and it can blow up mountains certainly, he destroyed Cyborg(Henk Henshaw) body in ONE BLAST during HUNTER/PREY.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
the kamehameha isn't suppose to blow up planets... in one episode goku clearly says " Don't put that much energy into it, it will blow up the planet..." so hes holding back on his energy so that if he does miss, it only blows up a mountain...(which is still more then supes eye lasers can do, without him flying off to outerspace) If goku put more energy into the kame, it would take out the earth...

Supes can't reach lightspeed in the earths atmosphere, his comics have stipulated that in his world he would cause problems... Goku on the otherhand has never caused any problems when using IT in earths atmosphere.... Advantage Goku....

Unfortuantly I don't collect supes comics... anyone know where I can get scans???

IT is only a teleport (and he loses energy each time he uses it), that's not speed he's using. Superman is able to vibrate (phase) through Doomsday fire/lighting breath and vibrate his body invisible, which makes him much faster than Goku. There "KI" can level planets with blasts strong enough to penetrate into the planets core, causing it to explode, that's how they blow up planets. Superman's Heat Vision is hotter than stars and can blow up planets like he did to that planet that was heading towards the sun. Superman has ssj3 Goku in strength, speed, durability, and stamina. 🙂

Originally posted by K3VIL
Goku's and other DB characters control over the energy blasts they emit seems to be very high, they can change the power charge in a matter of seconds or less when required.
Goku's speed has never been clocked to be lightspeed, tough it's certainly high.He's certainly over the Mach 100 traveling speed.
Supes heat vision is anyway underrated, it can melt or make things explode, it's a blast of concussive force and heat and it can blow up mountains certainly, he destroyed Cyborg(Henk Henshaw) body in ONE BLAST during HUNTER/PREY.

I don't think Goku is mach 100, hes fast, but not that fast.

Are you guys joking......Goku has Instant transmission, and fought like that with metal kooler, so Superman can't even see him. Can Superman blow up planets....