He was talking about the production of starships which is clearly the case given that he talks about "effiency" of the Star Forge before. There is not a single line in KotoR saying that the SF boosts up somebodies force powers.
Which is as I stated before, bullshit. Revan already knew how to use that function of the Star Forge. The second function is to strengthen a powerful dark side user with force energy, which Malak reveals.
What makes you think Mace couldn't have done this with his bare hands ? Dooku could do this as we have seen in AotC.
Because he has not shown this ability, and neither has he shown sufficient strength in the force as to pull off the same feat that Yoda did.
Really, he was barely able to block Sidious' lightning. Again I am waiting for proof that he can deflect Revan's "miniature storm" (which was described as being far greater)
The ability that Revan used (if he did so) was the "force storm" of the KotoR era which is actually insignificant to the power of Sidious force lightning - much more to Sidious force storm.
Unvalidated, and an utterly false assumption. Revan's storm was not described as something coming from his fingertips, then going towards the sky and crashing down on the Rakatans. It was actually described as coming from the sky. It appeared as multiple bolts of lightnigng that appeared from the sky to slaughter "raiding/scouting" parties. In the Star Wars films (highest authority) Sidious' lightning was not shown to be anywhere near this magnitude.
For this stuff making sense you would have to assume that Revan > Sidious in terms of Dark Side force powers. How many sources do you want that crush this little premise ?
Revan is stronger than ROTS Sidious, but not his DE incarnation. Do not intentionally be vague.
The same way Revan only demonstrated his uber powerful "force storm" against people who couldn't defend themselves against it, due to the fact that they weren't able to use the force any longer. Somebody pwned his own argument...
Only as much as you do not possess the faculties for logical thought. Revan's lightning was described visually as far superiour than Sidious'. If you look at the movie (the highest authority for Star Wars, Sidious' lightning was comparitevely pussy). Revan's was described as something far larger in magnitude.
You mean like the lightning that Kyp Durron called fromt he sky in the "Leviathan" comics using some weather manipulation ? Wow...
Of course, because a single bolt of lightning can defeat multiple opponents (from the scouting parties). Obviously there were multiple bolts which indicate something of a storm like nature. Revan's manifestation was clearly different than Kyp's.
And it's not a "toned down version of Sidious' force storm" it's an extend of the "force lightning" ability and has precisely nothing in common with Sidious force storms.
Other than the fact that it is far greater in magnitude then typical force lightning, and that it does not originate from the said users fingetips, which you have yet to prove it does.
And I don't have to argue with Bioware because this is how their own game mechanics work. Force storm = higher level force lightning. And sorry: It comes from the users hands (at least in the animation), goes up and then hits the targets on the ground.
Oh right, assumptions galore. You assume that the technique used by Darth Revan in his peak was the same one as described in KOTOR where Revan has not yet fully recovered his memory(and is consequently not as strong), despite being told by the Rakatans that the force lightning came from the sky. Since the threadmaker has stated that it is Post Star Forge Revan, (Revan in outer regions) then he has fully regained his memory. Get it through your skull that it did not come from his fingertips, arch slightly upwards, and towards the Rakatans.
Reading comprehension ? Obviously lack of logic on your side. Why would multiple scouting parties move together so that Revan can own them all at once. Oh my...that's what scouting parties usually don't do.
If you would like to discuss Rakatan psychology with me, and how these bloodthirsty idiots could potentially turn on Revan in the DS side, then be my guest. It is possible the "One" could have continually sent raiding parties, each of which were slaughtered. He referred to Revans attacks as "slaughtering us".
Regardless in either case scenario, it does not dimish the nature of the attack.
I guess the Jedi Exile possessed it too because being able to tool the Handmaiden and her sisters...
Jedi Precognition > Echani precognition. Just look at the fact that Kreia did forsee things happening 4,000 years later. So what need would Revan have to use echani precog if he has Jedi precog and how is this gonna help him against somebody who has precognition as well ? Logic anybody ?
Wow, more assumptions. You assume first that the two types of precognition work exclusive of each other, when in KOTOR2 the two types of precognition are actually shown to be synergistic of one another. Your point is moot.
I guess you didn't again get the point, huh ? Dooku was superior in the force, hence able to choke Kenobi and then toss him through the room, taking him out of the fight. What would stop Kyle or Mace from doing the same (or use a force push / other force skills) against Kenobi. Hence his "prolonging the fight with Soresu" attempts will be quite mood if he ends up in the next wall force pushed, chocked or something else by his opponent.
Um, I guess you missed my point that Obi Wan was using the force agressively, and using an agressive lightsaber stance, hence he got pwned. If he used his defensive techniques fully, then obviously he can prolong the fight for Revan to arrive.
Let's see: You are making stuff up to back up your attempts to construct an argument failing utterly because you obviously know jack shit about the things you want to discuss.
Speak for yourself, you are pulling wild assumptions about Revan's abilites out of your ass in order to support your meager points.
Zephiel, Palpatine was able to use standard Force lightning to kill more people than Revan's version of the Force Storm. Furthermore, Sidious improved in power from Revenge of the Sith to Return of the Jedi, which is about the time that he slaughtered that battalion of renegade stormtroopers.
Also:
a. I would like to see proof where it specifically states that the Star Forge increases Force power and not personal and/or military power.
b. Where is Revan's Force Storm described as being more powerful than Palpatine's lightning?
c. Palpatine's Force Storm and Revan's Force Storm are two completely different things. Revan's Force Storm was simply a variation of your standard Force lightning (which was also proven to be less effective than Palpatine's own) and it is a far cry from being anywhere near as powerful as Palpatine's.
Zephiel, I proved on another forum that Sidious' DE force storm has a destructive potential of at least 24 million Hiroshima nuclear bombs. That's a lot more then anything we've seen from Revan.
Anyway, Mace fight's off Revan for a good long time while Kyle kills Obi-wan. Getting doubled teamed Revan goes down.
Originally posted by Escape81
Zephiel, Palpatine was able to use standard Force lightning to kill more people than Revan's version of the Force Storm. Furthermore, Sidious improved in power from Revenge of the Sith to Return of the Jedi, which is about the time that he slaughtered that battalion of renegade stormtroopers.
You have proof of this? You have proof that Sidious' force lightning kiled more people than Revan's miniature force storm? You mean that same force lightning that floored Luke? The same lightning he kept firing at Luke without killing him? I have a hard time believing Sidious' force lightning is more powerful than Revan's miniature force storm which obviously attacks at least multiple opponents..
b. Where is Revan's Force Storm described as being more powerful than Palpatine's lightning?
c. Palpatine's Force Storm and Revan's Force Storm are two completely different things. Revan's Force Storm was simply a variation of your standard Force lightning (which was also proven to be less effective than Palpatine's own) and it is a far cry from being anywhere near as powerful as Palpatine's.
Again WHERE is it proven that Sidious' lightning>Revan's? If anything by the looks of it we can argue the complete opposite.
You have proof of this? You have proof that Sidious' force lightning kiled more people than Revan's miniature force storm? You mean that same force lightning that floored Luke? The same lightning he kept firing at Luke without killing him? I have a hard time believing Sidious' force lightning is more powerful than Revan's miniature force storm which obviously attacks at least multiple opponents..
DS, read carefully. Palpatine killed dozens of Stormtroopers with a single Force lightning attack. Furthermore, Palpatine was only torturing Luke. Not wanting him to die immediately.
Iunno logical deduction? Palpatine's lighting comes from his fingertips directory at his opponent whereas Revan's lightning goes up and hits many of his opponents at the same time. Just by looking at the two and comparing them, Revan's lightning seems more powerful than Palpatine's.
Palpatine's lightning has also mortally wounded Jedi in single bursts. His most lethal form of lightning has obliterated multiple opponents.
Again WHERE is it proven that Sidious' lightning>Revan's? If anything by the looks of it we can argue the complete opposite.
See above.
You have proof of this? You have proof that Sidious' force lightning kiled more people than Revan's miniature force storm? You mean that same force lightning that floored Luke? The same lightning he kept firing at Luke without killing him? I have a hard time believing Sidious' force lightning is more powerful than Revan's miniature force storm which obviously attacks at least multiple opponents..
a. Palpatine killed dozens of Stormtroopers prior to Return of the Jedi with a single burst.
b. Palpatine, in Return of the Jedi, was torturing Luke. Not killing him. He was still torturing Luke when he said "Now, young Skywalker... you will die."
Iunno logical deduction? Palpatine's lighting comes from his fingertips directory at his opponent whereas Revan's lightning goes up and hits many of his opponents at the same time. Just by looking at the two and comparing them, Revan's lightning seems more powerful than Palpatine's.
The point is, I haven't seen an instance where Revan's Force Storm kills dozens of anything. And even if he did, it means that Palpatine's standard Force lightning is as powerful as Revan's Force Storm.
Again WHERE is it proven that Sidious' lightning>Revan's? If anything by the looks of it we can argue the complete opposite.
See the above.
The Betrayal series talks about Sidious' lightning? And escape, where did Sidious kill all those storm troopers? Not saying he didn't but I'm curous where. Also, that is enough to put Sidious' lightning>Revan's or equal to? In regards to the comparison, from what I see, Revan's miniature force storm seems to take out any opponent you are currently fighting. Then again that is gameplay, but I don't feel there's enough evidence to compare the two, ESPECIALLY put Sidious' lightning over Revan's. Yoda must be a God then if he can absorb it or deflect it.
obi wans has a defensive stance and he could hold of mace or kyle with it think of obi ani battle and reven lead the war he killed many on his own and obi wan can beat mace because ani can kill him even if they did have a fight even though mace has shatterpoint soresu can hold that off reven could kill kyle in that time