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Shadow Collective should be on that list somewhere tbf
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Zann Consortium reigns supreme imo. I can't think of a single other underground that wielded a fleet that wouldn't immediately retreat when an Executor-class Star Dreadnought + Supporting fleet showed up. That includes the Black Sun.
Why is that relevant? We're talking about each Underworld power in their prime aren't we? Even before that Zann was clashing with Grand Admiral Thrawn. None of the other factions would ever risk an open space battle with the Empire.
I mean its still canon though. If you don't wanna take feats from FoC, then the Consortium has virtually no feats.
Mmmm...it was pretty big.
With his fleet...which is impressive.
And a million clone troopers were enough to bring the galaxy to heel. Come on bro, everyone knows in Star Wars numbers are just a placeholder for 'stupid big'.
They are certainly #1 if we include them bro. Tyber Zann and Urai made Jabba their *****, defeated Grand Admiral Thrawn in a Space Battle +maintained a powerful network capable of overthrowing planetary governments.
Not...really. I don't think you understand what a big deal it is to down an Executor.
A single Mandator-class Star Dreadnought could take on 1,000 capital ships during TCWs. An Executor could likely easily take on 2-3,000 perhaps even 4. The number of vessels/ power of vessels required is ludicrous. Assaulting any core world is quite the endeavor, let alone Kuat Drive Yards, which had one of the largest defense fleets.
Sorry but that trumps hyperbolic statements about the Black Sun, who at best were nuisances to galactic governments like the Empire.
Also Beni I can agree to that but military prowess isn't exactly what I'm looking at. I'm looking for what a Criminal Underworld does...which they involve themselves in illegal activities and so forth.
Any faction can have a military if big enough, that doesn't make it an Underworld faction.
Last edited by Zenwolf on Jun 18th, 2015 at 11:19 AM
A couple were big, but also comparative flashes in the pan. Shadow Collective was big but temporary, ditto Zann Consortium. The Black Sun and Hutts and even the Exchange were lasting powers.
When talking a criminal enterprise, what matters more? Lasting criminal power, or a single big grab that crumbles away to nothing?
The Hutts are a combination of criminal enterprise and one of the few areas that could be considered separate, largely out of Republic/Empire control (though I think nominally acknowledging whoever's in charge).
The Hutts seemed to have better and more total control of their territory, and have some military, but the Black Sun had a much wider reach and seemed to have enterprises throughout the galaxy, if a lot less direct force. Both did work with each other a lot.
I'm guessing Zann hit it really big with his fleet, but it drew too much attention and was likely smushed. Similar the Shadow bunch. The Exchange almost seems like a precursor to Black Sun- their time overlapped some, but I'm guessing it's just the Exchange went into decline and Black Sun took it's place.
Overall, I'd say-
1. Black Sun. Their wide reach probably means they have the largest income and influence of any.
2. Hutt Syndicate. While not as wide, they still have some fingers out there, plus a good portion of the galaxy where they control the crime more thoroughly than any other syndicate, which gives them a reliable base.
3. The Exchange. A once-rival of the Hutts and the big non-Hutt group before Black Sun, they were eventually replaced but were quite significant.
4. Shadow Collective. They didn't last long at all, but they were impressive when they did.
5. Zann Consortium. Ditto.
Then at 6, I'll add one, the Crucible. A slave-trading and pit-fighting organization originally created by the Sith to be self-perpetuating and turn refugees into soldiers for the sith, they remained fairly hidden and weren't as wide-ranging, but they were secretive, dangerous, and conducted a criminal enterprise for a very long time.