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Darth Thor
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Originally posted by Galan007
In canon, Luke's lightsaber skill was equal to Vader's as of RotJ:
"Father and son were now equally strong with the Force, and equally skilled with their lightsabers."
-Jedi vs. Sith
(2016)

Though you could [rightly] argue that Luke's skills had increased significantly by the time he began training Kylo, but that's neither here nor there...

Imo, the VD is clearly using Luke and Vader as a measuring stick/comparison for Kylo's skill, hence "much like". Does that mean Kylo is *as* skilled as they were? No. But I do think the intent is that he is at least in their tier, which would still put him pretty high up the totem pole.

Don't get me wrong, I understand the reluctance to accept Kylo as a Vader-level swordsman given his depictions in the films -- but even with that, most supplementary material tends to wank the bejesus out of his power/skill. In short: I think that's just the level Disney just wants him to be at. /shrug



Yeah we were not talking about ROTJ, but peak versions presumably. And if Luke reaches Vaders level as a swordsman in only 4 years, then I see no reason to believe Vader is even close to peak Luke level.

The supplementary material can hyperbole wank Kylo all it wants, but without specifics I will go by the movies which went out of their way to tell us Kylo was no Vader.


Also what is Saber skill? Maul had mad saber skills but would get his ass whooped by Vader. So without equal force augmentation it wouldnt matter.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
The supplementary material can hyperbole wank him all it wants, but without specifics I will go by the movies which went out of their way to tell us Kylo was no Vader.

He was no Vader as of TLJ, but as I showed in my original respect post, Kylo grew far more powerful by the time of TROS. Vader level? Maybe not, but Iíd say heís nearly there.

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^ I disagree but sorry I forgot this is a Respect thread and as such I wont ruin it with more argumentation. Will take it up with you in another thread.

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Itís fine I donít mind.

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I posted it more as a draft open to discussion

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Did you read my original post about how Kylo grew more powerful between TLJ and TROS? Specifically the quote about how the Guards Rey fought are more formidable than the Praetorian Guards? They were defeated way more easily than the Praetorians too, suggesting that Rey (and therefore Kylo as well) grew substantially.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
The supplementary material can hyperbole wank Kylo all it wants, but without specifics I will go by the movies which went out of their way to tell us Kylo was no Vader.

Also what is Saber skill? Maul had mad saber skills but would get his ass whooped by Vader. So without equal force augmentation it wouldnt matter.
That's fair enough. As mentioned, I just think that's the level Disney wants him to be operating at, because the supplementary material thus far does go out of its way to wank Kylo. But again, I understand the reluctance. /shrug

Saber skill is pretty self-explanatory. Of course Vader would stomp Maul -- he's a better swordsman, and he's far more powerful. Don't see how that's relevant here, though..?


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I just think that's the level Disney wants him to be operating at,
I thought that was clear in TLJ, when Luke said that Rey and Kylo's raw power was the strongest he had ever felt.

Which scales their raw power above ROTJ Sidious, Vader, Snoke and possibly even Luke himself.


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Well yeah but to be fair raw power refers more to potential

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I believe the "much like" is referring to the formidable part. Kylo Ren has formidable lightsaber skills, as does Luke, as does Vader.

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Originally posted by Sheev
I thought that was clear in TLJ, when Luke said that Rey and Kylo's raw power was the strongest he had ever felt.

Which scales their raw power above ROTJ Sidious, Vader, Snoke and possibly even Luke himself.

If Vader didn't lost potential in canon (which many agree is the case) Kylo and Rey having more potential than him would be absurd as Anakin was the chosen one who at full potential can ragdoll the Mortis Gods. This obviously can't be the case.
The quote can't refer to actualised/aplicable power either as Rey was ragdolled by Snoke (who is at best equal to ROTJ Sidious) efortlesly.
In conclusion: Luke had no ideea what he was talking about.

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Well Vader's power isn't really raw at that point.

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Cool so Kylo/Ben hes pretty much in the Vader realm of power and saber skills ?

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Thought I'd post some of the feats mentioned in the OP...


Kylo owns 3 of Luke's Jedi students [pre-prime]:
https://i.imgur.com/HrprPX3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xJKJlE2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ApYKfVV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/f39shRO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tm1BzRI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1Hiyei8.jpg

Again:
https://i.imgur.com/FPfKOaM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1528G2v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tNhF1SC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/K3ItDFr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AmYModi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IPwbRuS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4E1aPh3.jpg

Uses TK to drop massive stone structures on the students [pre-prime]:
https://i.imgur.com/og0aVCC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iMbvrzb.jpg

Kills Ren(the previous leader of the KoR) [pre-prime]:
https://i.imgur.com/c4NpCGB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9IUiIsz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/D8hugvD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dcDSedd.jpg

Bleeds his kyber crystal:
https://i.imgur.com/doPqA3X.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3kqtTvr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cdTTcFY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jZVNjTq.jpg


Supreme Leader Ren does not tolerate failure:
https://i.imgur.com/JTvZ2Cy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yGPSaLj.jpg

Was stated to be "far more powerful" than Rey as of TLJ:
https://i.imgur.com/z4g4Yrn.jpg

Kylo shields himself and Hux from a their ship's reentry and subsequent crash into a planet:
https://i.imgur.com/iDWvebF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wyJ1BGA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IqVVugG.jpg

Kills a Zillo Beast:
https://i.imgur.com/hqbAdDX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Qtjt3SR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ndmfs13.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QKtxo9N.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3cdtoGW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CSIyxOR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wAEBTi1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bsucYd0.jpg

Can use the Force to stop himself from hitting the ground after falling from a cliff:
https://i.imgur.com/g5Ggf7W.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jZQn03Z.jpg

Destroys the dark side cave on Dagobah with an omni-directional TK wave:
https://i.imgur.com/MfwwDoN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/77vUaoR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/p8EXm4B.jpg


Uses hologram-TK to force Agent Tierny and Commander Pyre to draw their weapons and aim them at each other:
https://i.imgur.com/2zAAJWr.mp4


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Nice, thanks thumb up

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Originally posted by ozz81
Cool so Kylo/Ben hes pretty much in the Vader realm of power and saber skills ?

Pretty much

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"Kylo is trash because he struggled against the Praetorian Guards pre-prime"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8f3-QPBxUA

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Originally posted by Galan007
Thought I'd post some of the feats mentioned in the OP...





I know Rise of Kylo Ren. Which comic are the rest of those events from?

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Journey to TROS Allegience, TLJ Comic Adaptation and the Age of Resistance comics for Hux, Kylo & Snoke.

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Just checking in to see if anyone has found anything new to add here. rock big grin

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