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Exactly, Demons aren't even provably evil in most cases.


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Exactly, Demons aren't even provably evil in most cases.


LOL I actually think the word demon orginally meant wise spirit. I think some of the demons in the Bible were originally pagan gods, of course because your supposed to worship one God the pagan gods became evil.

Chrisanity itself isnt bad but it seems one of the main purposes of Abrahamuc faiths was to control people as opposed to heathenism and paganism which was just a religion, as a result anything non-Christian became bad.

Anyway you probably know this already.


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The church made up demons. The most worshipped gods in Pagan religions were made into demons and witches like Freyja, I believe. In mythology she also had a cat, and the church made cats demonic too. They made her a witch. Just imagine another religion came in, a very powerful one and made Jesus into a demon. The worship of him would be your death. This is what happened to them.

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The church made up demons. The most worshipped gods in Pagan religions were made into demons and witches like Freyja, I believe. In mythology she also had a cat, and the church made cats demonic too. They made her a witch. Just imagine another religion came in, a very powerful one and made Jesus into a demon. The worship of him would be your death. This is what happened to them.


Yes Freyja is the godess of withcraft and she is associated with cats. Cats draw her chariot.


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I like cats so she is great.

Good points made all round.


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Yes Freyja is the godess of withcraft and she is associated with cats. Cats draw her chariot.
I believe it was more the church that turned her into the goddess of witchcraft, she was more than that. She was actually quite an important goddess.

http://www.valkyrietower.com/freyja.html

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You realise that most of that is utter garabage made up by romantics hundreds of years after the Norse religions died.


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I believe it was more the church that turned her into the goddess of witchcraft. She was actually quite an important goddess.

http://www.valkyrietower.com/freyja.html


Incorrect she was the godess of withcraft before they tried to demonize her. Even in Norse society witchs were sometimes persecuted becuase they were feared, basically they were dangerous.

I think some witches were even dedicated to Thor and Freyja was supposed to have taught other gods withcraft.

The difference is that in Norse society sometimes wicthes were accepted but due to Christanity it became something totally evil.

Not a New Age site is that? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Incorrect she was the godess of withcraft before they tried to demonize her. Even in Norse society witchs were sometimes persecuted becuase they were feared, basically they were dangerous.

I think some witches were even dedicated to Thor and Freyja was supposed to have taught other gods withcraft.

The difference is that in Norse society sometimes wicthes were accepted but due to Christanity it became something totally evil.

Not a New Age site is that? roll eyes (sarcastic)
Just a site.. stick out tongue

Oh, I did edit my post too.

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Just a site.. stick out tongue

Oh, I did edit my post too.


Well yeah shes also the godess of marriage, war fertility and sex.

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You realise that most of that is utter garabage made up by romantics hundreds of years after the Norse religions died.


Whats utter Garbage?


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Well, the point was that the church demonizes other religions.

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Well, the point was that the church demonizes other religions.


Well we both agree on that.....so there.


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Well, the point was that the church demonizes other religions.


Ofcourse it does. Most religions tend to do that.


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Ofcourse it does. Most religions tend to do that.


Er Abrahamic religons tend to do that.


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Okay, I guess I made my point then. I win. roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Okay, I guess I made my point then. I win. roll eyes (sarcastic)


*tries to find something to disagree on* Er.....no you didnt. laughing out loud


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Er Abrahamic religons tend to do that.


Well, maybe that shows they have true convictions.


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Well, maybe that shows they have true convictions.
No, they were bullies. mad

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Well, maybe that shows they have true convictions.


Are you serious?


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No, they were bullies. mad


Kick his ass debbie. *pushes her* Get in there! laughing out loud


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No, they were bullies. mad


Clearly you people dont know whats good for you...maybe the Church should help you...stick out tongue


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