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Ultimate Wil
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Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...It actually IS.

And AC Sephiroth by feats IS the strongest Sephiroth, under his own power he could kill all life on the planet, no other Sephiroth can claim to be able to do that.


You are going to have to get some evidence on AC Sephiroth using Heartless angel.

And if AC Sephiroth is so strong, why did he get the shit beat out of him by Cloud, and when they fight in KH2, Sephiroth beats his ass?

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It wouldn't have anything to do with AC Cloud being much stronger than KH2 Cloud now would it?

And in KH2, Seph didn't beat his ass, neither won.


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It wouldn't have anything to do with AC Cloud being much stronger than KH2 Cloud now would it?

And in KH2, Seph didn't beat his ass, neither won.


That is why Seph after the fight, Seph didn't even break a sweat, and Cloud was breathing heavy.

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Still no evidence on FF Seph using heartless angel I see.


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And neither won.

Yet in AC, Sephiroth was pwning Cloud left and right, and had him pinned by a wall with his sword, until Cloud fired his PIS Laza ftw.


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And neither won.

Yet in AC, Sephiroth was pwning Cloud left and right, and had him pinned by a wall with his sword, until Cloud fired his PIS Laza ftw.


And yet Cloud doesn't even have 10 bars of health. Sephiroth has 16 bars. That is also why Square.Enix stated that Sephiroth is the hardest boss they ever put into one of there games. They also said that he is the best fighter in every FF, and would take down Cloud in less than ten seconds if going at his hardest. Cloud has only 3 moves in KH2. Sephiroth has 8 moves in KH2. Cloud's moves are not even that good. You can dodge his moves. Unlike Sephiroth's moves, you need to jump or glide to avoid Sephiroth's attacks. The only attack you can block is his 13 hit combo, and that is a command. So if it was a real KH2 battle, Sephiroth would just toy with him until he begs for mercy. You can't block alma, but you can avoid it if you glide. Heartless angel is preventable, not blockable. Dark flares can only be destroyed by a Keyblade. The meteors Cloud can only hope he can dodge all of them, and the big one. As I said before, Sephiroth would just toy with him until he begs for mercy.

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And yet Cloud doesn't even have 10 bars of health. Sephiroth has 16 bars.
Stopped reading.


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Stopped reading.


Then you just proved my point that Sephiroth in KH2 is stronger than Cloud.

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No, I just realised that debating you is a stupid waste of time.


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And yet Cloud doesn't even have 10 bars of health. Sephiroth has 16 bars.


Usage of game mechanics is an irrational, unscientific and completely worthless way of debating. In game high-res videos, in movies and books, do you see a big bar of healthpoints above the target? Do you think that Sephiroth would survive having the sword penetrate his throat, just because he has another 15 health bars to spend? Would a powerhouse ripping his arm into shreds do nothing but remove a few healthbars and Sephiroth would continue with whatever he was doing?

You can not enforce a character in a versus debate with game mechanics. If you did, some characters would not be tough to beat. They would be unkillable. You need to put a scientific and logical perspective into everything. If a person get cut by a sword, he gets injured no matter how many health bars he has. If he is cut in the leg, he will move slower. If he is cut in the arm, he will be weaker.


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Usage of game mechanics is an irrational, unscientific and completely worthless way of debating. In game high-res videos, in movies and books, do you see a big bar of healthpoints above the target? Do you think that Sephiroth would survive having the sword penetrate his throat, just because he has another 15 health bars to spend? Would a powerhouse ripping his arm into shreds do nothing but remove a few healthbars and Sephiroth would continue with whatever he was doing?

You can not enforce a character in a versus debate with game mechanics. If you did, some characters would not be tough to beat. They would be unkillable. You need to put a scientific and logical perspective into everything. If a person get cut by a sword, he gets injured no matter how many health bars he has. If he is cut in the leg, he will move slower. If he is cut in the arm, he will be weaker.


First of all that would never happen. Second, you show a point with the game mechanics. That would just mean if he gets caught in Alma, Cloud would burn to a crisp, and hit by heartless angel would drop Cloud.

And Dark-Jaxx, if you just say I am a waste of time, then you are too because you just keep proving me right by saying I am a waste of time. Everything I have said is true, unlike you thinking Cloud has more health than Sephiroth in KH2.

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You missed the gist of what she said entirely. no expression

Going by gameplay, Carl CJ Johnson from GTA: SA can jump out of a plane and live, get hit by a speeding car and get right back up, and take multiple shotgun shots to the head.


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1. It would never happen? I can list at least fifty character capable of running a sword trough Sephiroths throat.

2. So even while I just described why you should not use game mechanics, you still do? Game mechanics is an ilegit way of debating. it is not only unfair, but completely illogical and most of all, proves a lack of competence in debating.


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You missed the gist of what she said entirely. no expression

Going by gameplay, Carl CJ Johnson from GTA: SA can jump out of a plane and live, get hit by a speeding car and get right back up, and take multiple shotgun shots to the head.


CJ has a parichoot, and You could live by a speeding car. Altough you would be parylized

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1. It would never happen? I can list at least fifty character capable of running a sword trough Sephiroths throat.

2. So even while I just described why you should not use game mechanics, you still do? Game mechanics is an ilegit way of debating. it is not only unfair, but completely illogical and most of all, proves a lack of competence in debating.


I just said you are right. If he actually used alma on someone, they would be burnt to a crisp. Unlike where sora lives.

No body could possibly get him in the neck. He would either block it or teleport awy if on the ground.

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I just said you are right. If he actually used alma on someone, they would be burnt to a crisp. Unlike where sora lives.

No body could possibly get him in the neck. He would either block it or teleport awy if on the ground.


1. You think I am right and still you use game mechanics?

2. Want me to list some?


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CJ has a parichoot, and You could live by a speeding car. Altough you would be parylized
If you tap the square button, CJ can live. laughing out loud

Okay. How about a speeding semi-truck? laughing out loud

Wait, you played GTA: SA?


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You are going to have to get some evidence on AC Sephiroth using Heartless angel.

And if AC Sephiroth is so strong, why did he get the shit beat out of him by Cloud, and when they fight in KH2, Sephiroth beats his ass?


AC Sephiroth is just a more evolved form of FF7 Sephiroth, it was even stated that AC Sephiroth reached a new height in power.

He used heartless angel in FF7, thats what KH2 was even based on, AC Sephiroth lost because
1) He was not going all out
2) He didn't use any of his powers
3) He let Cloud live to torment him for as long as he could
4) PIS helped Cloud catch Sephiroth offguard, and as stated by the Reunion Files, Omnislash happens in the blink of an eye, that + catching Sephiroth offguard = Sephiroth dead.

Do you even know what the powers of AC Sephiroth are?

Willpower/Telekinesis: He stopped and held a power(Holy) that was stated the be able to destroy everything on the planet

Negative Lifestream: Power of life,energy,magic,power, the lifestream in FF7 help destroy Meteor.

Becoming the new evolution of Jenova, with powers of:
Shapeshift
Absorb life energy
Become Intangible.
Telekenisis
Telepathy
Teleport
Warp speed
Mind control
Create a disease

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He doesn't have Warp Speed.


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lol warp speed, most of those poers are prob minimal or weak.


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