So DCNU Superman = a PF and Cytorrak amped Colossus?
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Also, if that scan in the OP is to be taken at face value, Thor somehow took a beating from two Phoenix avatars and survived, in addition to one of them wielding a sword that is cater made for killing and harming magical beings.
Let's use a High Herald as an example. Gladiator...it took 3 of the Phoenix members to repeatedly pound on Gladiator for no telling how long, in order to drop him in a prolong fight. Thor got two pieced by Colossus and Magic. This also doesn't include Emma soloing him or Namor embarrassing him. That throws high Herald out the window.
Then we have the Avengers bringing the fight to the 5, everyone getting attacked, hell, Spiderman even withstands a beat down but then we have Thing carrying Thor yet again. He isn't operating at Heralds level, not even close. Superman isn't either but I would put him above this version of Thor imo. Not far above but enough to pull the majority.
You said "if colossus is able to fell thor, then I'd give it to superman"
Are you claiming that DCNU Superman is just as powerful as a PF and Cytorrak amped Colossus?
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Of course not. But using examples of Thor being beaten by people amped by the PF and/or other sources as evidence as why Superman would do the same is silly.
sorry to burst your bubble, but 'surviving' isn't exactly a feat in comicdom...that's literally the lowest bar you can set as comic characters (esp popular ones) are not allowed not to survive
if he had tanked that hit, it would be a feat....simply not dying isn't
Then what was the point in saying "if colossus is able to fell thor, then I'd give it to superman"?
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
The fact that they are able to beat Thor, whose entire history still counts as being a high herald, especially under the guy who writes his solo series (Matt Fraction) makes them >= high heralds. That's the clear point you're not getting. It was also made clear the PF was holding back when they dealt with Kallark and not in any danger at all.
Colossus is amped by the PF and Cytorrak and Magik has the Soul Sword which is a weapon specifically designed to beat magical and mystic foes...of which Thor clearly is. So how again is that a low feat? Normal Namor has always been able to give Thor a decent scrap if Thor doesn't go all out, and he effectively no sells Mjolnir. Pretty obvious the Phoenix Five are intended to be > top tiers conventionally without further diving up the PF amongst them. That's without mentioning the fact that Namor easily wrecked Rulk's arm. Pretty easy to put two and two together and get four.
So, again, the fact that the Phoenix Five can beat Thor doesn't mean you can abirtrarily decide that DCnU Superman can.
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You think Superman would physically fare better against Magik and Colossus, amped as they are with both telepathic/pyrokinetic powers in addition to mystical prowess?
I never said the 5 isnt greater than High Herald level...they are. Why would I vote for Namor over Prime if I didn't think he was over Herald levels but you are clearly missing the point. It's not WHO is beating Thor, its HOW he is getting defeated.
I'm still failing to see how Thor getting beat up by guys portrayed as being more powerful than Thor consistently means Superman wins...especially when Thor's prior history and status as a high herald/top dog still count.
That would be like a new villain showing up and beating up Superman consistently for the arc he's starring and then arguing because he beat up Superman, Superman must be weakened now. It's obvious that the intent is that new villain is >= Superman not that Superman got depowered.
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