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Mon-El vs Beta Ray Bill

Mon that fought the Time Trapper. Somewhat. That version.

Jul 4th, 2010 11:31 AM

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Jul 5th, 2010 11:44 AM

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You think Bill has the strength?

Jul 5th, 2010 11:52 AM

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he's on Thor's level. yes he does

Jul 5th, 2010 12:01 PM

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I think Mon-el is above Superman/Thor myself. Pushing stars from one solar system to another, crossing the time stream, moving planetoids, surving the heart of a star, etc...

Jul 5th, 2010 12:07 PM

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he has feats like moving small stars and that puts him above supes or thor?

hulk and gladiator have smashed planets larger than earth before and Bill was doing the same in his fight with Stardust.

Anyway even if he is stronger the Hammer will give Bill the edge IMO

Jul 5th, 2010 12:21 PM

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Gladiator is an homage to Pre-Crisis Superboy, so I'm not surprised he can do that. Even though his record is spotty.

Mon doesn't have the magic weakness like Superman and has been said to be even stronger than Superman. Pre-crisis has shown this and I believe it was said right after the crisis. Daxamites are stronger than Kryptonians on average.

Mon has the speed, invulnerability, and strength over Bill.

Jul 5th, 2010 12:32 PM

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Apparently Mon also killed a weakened Time Trapper. So that says something about his power.

Jul 5th, 2010 12:34 PM

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Gladiator is an homage to Pre-Crisis Superboy, so I'm not surprised he can do that. Even though his record is spotty.

Mon doesn't have the magic weakness like Superman and has been said to be even stronger than Superman. Pre-crisis has shown this and I believe it was said right after the crisis. Daxamites are stronger than Kryptonians on average.

Mon has the speed, invulnerability, and strength over Bill.

faster, I guess he is...
More durable? what has he tanked that Bill couldn't?
Stronger? The hammer would compensate for lack of strength (if any).

In addition bill has the edge in energy projection, absorption etc...
Plus he is a more skilled fighter IMO

Jul 5th, 2010 12:48 PM

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faster, I guess he is...
More durable? what has he tanked that Bill couldn't?
Stronger? The hammer would compensate for lack of strength (if any).

In addition bill has the edge in energy projection, absorption etc...
Plus he is a more skilled fighter IMO

Taken on the TT for one. Taken blows from Superboy, energy absorption won't be a problem. And more skilled fighter? Mon has Val as a training partner and isn't too shabby at fighting, either.

Jul 5th, 2010 12:51 PM

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Actually, the feats I'm using might be Pre-Crisis. If it is, Mon would stomp. We should use Valor instead. Might be a better matchup. Dangit!

Jul 5th, 2010 12:57 PM

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Taken on the TT for one. Taken blows from Superboy, energy absorption won't be a problem. And more skilled fighter? Mon has Val as a training partner and isn't too shabby at fighting, either.

well Bill has taken on Galactus for one plus the fact that you train along with a top MA doesn't make u one also.

would anyone argue Janet van Dyne being Cap's level?

anyway if this isn't some pre crisis crazy version I see Bill taking a majority here

Jul 5th, 2010 01:05 PM

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well Bill has taken on Galactus for one plus the fact that you train along with a top MA doesn't make u one also.

would anyone argue Janet van Dyne being Cap's level?

anyway if this isn't some pre crisis crazy version I see Bill taking a majority here

Not saying he's Val level, but Bill doesn't strike me as a good fighter. He may be a warrior, but so is Mon. Unless you can give me some good fighting feats.

Also, Bill has taken on Galactus? Mon has KILLED TT. Big difference.

Jul 5th, 2010 01:07 PM

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would anyone argue Janet van Dyne being Cap's level?

I'll go there.

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Also, Bill has taken on Galactus? Mon has KILLED TT. Big difference.

yes the big difference is that TT was depowered and even if he wasn't he is not equal to G

Jul 5th, 2010 01:19 PM

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I'll go there.

Jul 5th, 2010 01:20 PM

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yes the big difference is that TT was depowered and even if he wasn't he is not equal to G

TT is definitely on G's level. TT can't be truly killed and TT wasn't always depowered. He even stated Mon was the strongest of all legionaires. Yes, even Supes.

Jul 5th, 2010 01:23 PM