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Stoic
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Batman (Bruce) vs Steve Rogers (No SSS)

Recently Steve Rogers (formerly known as Captain America) beat several guys that had the Super Soldier Serum in their blood streams. How well would Steve do against Bruce without the serum, now that we know that he didn't need it, to take out guys superior to him in all ways except combat ability.

No gadgets, or shield.

Who would win?

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Spite. Bruce megastomps.

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Wayne wins. A non-metahuman Rogers doesn't have the strenght and stamina advantage that would give him the victory over his more skilled and more intelligent opponent. Wayne win 8/10. The 2/10 of Rogers is for his will.

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Wayne wins. A non-metahuman Rogers doesn't have the strenght and stamina advantage that would give him the victory over his more skilled and more intelligent opponent. Wayne win 8/10. The 2/10 of Rogers is for his will.

Batman's will and resolve >>

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Batman's will and resolve >>

Dude, it's Captain America!

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Bruce stomps. Out of curiosity though what are non-SSS Cap's physical stats like? Olympic or just athletic?

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Dude, it's Captain America!

Dude, it's Batman!

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marwash22
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There's an argument that Bruce would beat Steve w/ SSS, so it's only logical that Bruce would stomp the shit out of Steve sans SSS.

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Bruce stomps. Out of curiosity though what are non-SSS Cap's physical stats like? Olympic or just athletic?

Dude, it's Batman!

Will is Cap's claim to fame!

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There's an argument that Bruce would beat Steve w/ SSS, so it's only logical that Bruce would stomp the shit out of Steve sans SSS.

I do not agree on the fact that Wayne > Rogers with SSS

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marwash22
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I do not agree on the fact that Wayne > Rogers with SSS

I don't know why you would agree since that statement was never made. I said there's an argument to be made that Bruce could beat Cap... never said Bruce > Cap.

Oct 5th, 2010 02:46 PM

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Batman is way experience compared to the dopes Steve fought against.

With this major handicap, taking into account Steve combat experience, he might take 1/10 against Bruce, and thats on a good day.

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With the Serum, Cap should get it 7/10.

Without it, Bruce 6/10.

No bias, I like them equally. No gadgets or shield as per the OP, I'm assuming they are in an environment where nothing can be used as well?

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Bruce stomps. Out of curiosity though what are non-SSS Cap's physical stats like? Olympic or just athletic?

Steve was a skinny, meak chum pre-SSS.
With a body like that, he is definitely nowhere near athletic.

Even an amateur MMA fighter could most likely kill him.

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marwash22
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With the Serum, Cap should get it 7/10.

Without it, Bruce 6/10.

No bias, I like them equally.

no bias? Going by you statement that Steve would beat Bruce 4 times out of 10 without SSS... you either have a bias or you're ignorant. bruce and Cap are damn near physical equals when Steve has the SSS, without it, Steve would be at a serious strength/speed/stamina disadvantage. Also, Bruce is the better MA.

Bruce > Steve (no SSS) 10/10.

Oct 5th, 2010 03:18 PM

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10/10 batman
Steve is like a weak kitten without the SSS

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no bias? Going by you statement that Steve would beat Bruce 4 times out of 10 without SSS... you either have a bias or you're ignorant. bruce and Cap are damn near physical equals when Steve has the SSS, without it, Steve would be at a serious strength/speed/stamina disadvantage. Also, Bruce is the better MA.

Bruce > Steve (no SSS) 10/10.

Nah. Bruce is not on par with Rogers with the Serum. The dude is strong enough to throw the shield fast enough to catch up to a missile.

And I suppose without it, I don't think Batman is better than Rogers at MA, but is stronger and faster by more than enough to make up for it.

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marwash22
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Nah. Bruce is not on par with Rogers with the Serum. The dude is strong enough to throw the shield fast enough to catch up to a missile.

they're both peak-human. I'd give Steve only a slight physical advantage w/ the SSS.

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And I suppose without it, I don't think Batman is better than Rogers at MA, but is stronger and faster by more than enough to make up for it.

It's not really a matter of opinion, it's a fact that Bruce is a better fighter than Cap.

Oct 5th, 2010 03:57 PM