Kinda what Riv said. The reason Hawksmoor tops out in tiers is because there are eventually characters who can just vaporize the majority (or all) of city he's using, effectively crippling his power ceiling. So while I actually think there are plenty of feats that Magneto has that Jack couldn't replicate, he's honestly a low-level reality warper in cities and Mags doesn't have that level of destructive power while the entire city is fighting back against him.
It's what makes him an interesting vs. forum guy. Put him in a lazy beach town and street levelers destroy him. But throw him on Cybertron or Coruscant (which many have) and while we don't technically have in-comic analogs of him in cities of that size, it's a reasonable inference to put him well into Trans.
Hmm, my gut instinct was that Hawksmoor wouldn't have better control of the city materials than Mags, and that Geoforce was well suited to do major city damage.
He's got one of the most unique power sets i've ever run across, and like you said, he can work at so many power levels.
I'm surprised he's never gotten an ongoing, honestly.
It's definitely possible they could do enough collateral damage to pull Hawksmoor well below them. I'm not 100% sure how big Dubai actually is, tbh.
I do think his control trumps Mags, though, as crazy as that is to say. Jack's city control exists on a nigh-conceptual level as it's depicted by most writers.
I'm not sure about Wildstotm Jack, but DCnU Jack actually spoke to the spirit of the cities, thus giving him a potentially better control over that environment.
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Still haven't seen what exactly Jack can do to effect Magneto. Has he faced a character at Mags level before? Yea Jack has a weird niche in powers but imo the mutant outclassed him
If we're talking Magneto at his strongest/best, then I think it comes down to what we mean by "better control".
Jack definitely has a greater scope of weird shit that he can do in cities, and maybe he can accomplish all of those things with greater ease than Magneto. But there's no way he has a more precise control of many of the parts of the city, including the metal in the environment, and I'm sure he'd lose a feat contest here.
Even if we put Jack's abilities in the category of god-like reality warping, that still can't be an absolute trump card. See: Magneto out-manipulating Proteus' own electrons.
Proteus is considerably more god-like. Talking to the spirits of cities has cool implications, but just like Riv can't see Magneto "out city-ing" Hawksmoor, I can't see Jack "out metal-ing" Erik.
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Like i said, Magneto isnt manipulating anything IN the city on a level to compete with manipulating the city itself, its gravity, its make up, animating it; Hawksmoor's on different level. A higher level.
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