As Superman I'll be in within fraction of a nanosecond perception mode at all times. Superman walked around casually and had a long conversation and loosened his tie (all casually) within the FRACTION OF A NANOSECOND.
Then I'll punch Surfer so hard, it's ridiculous. I'll keep wailing (as Thanos did) until Surfer is koed.
Or I'll sing Surfer out of existence.
Or I'll hv Surfer with heat thousands of times hotter than the core of the Sun.
This is the problem with leaving the realm of rating fights by comic conventions and trying to be realistic. Logically, there's no upward limit to the degree of realism that should be invoked. However, in many matchups, it can be difficult to estimate exactly what the power sets involved can do to the degree of detail needed to decide a match. This is particularly true given the inconsistency inherent to comics.
Clearly, being realistic, speed is the first and likely key issue to decide here. Can Surfer respond in time? Just how much realistic inference of potential powers and power uses is appropriate?
The Surfer is not typically presented as a true speedster. However, he has many feats that would logically require some degree of super speed perceptions and reactions. And the divide shown in the comics between having access to such abilities when traveling etc., and having access to such abilities in a fight, makes little logical sense. But even if we granted Surfer access to such super fast reactions, just HOW fast is he? Just HOW fast is Superman? How does one determine that 'without CIS and PIS'?
Furthermore, the Surfer has been shown to be able to augment his abilities and to even bestow super powers to others. He also has occasional access to cosmic awareness of varying degrees of magnitude. So why wouldn't he know that speed is critical, and that Superman is fast, and augment his speed prior to the fight, if that is allowed by the rules of the fight.
Given the vast number of applications of the Power Cosmic that Superman has no realistic defense against, it seems fairly clear to me that by the tenets of strict realism Surfer probably needs only the chance to take a single action in order to start a chain of events that leads to Superman's unavoidable annihilation. From molecule manipulation to reality distortion to magic simulation to time travel and manipulation, Surfer's avenues of effective attack are virtually endless. But does he get that chance?
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OT, Supes would try some super speed shit, but SS would see him coming a mile away, as he’s literally custom made to travel lightyears in search of planets for Galactus, and do so in insane amounts of time when you factor in the distances involved, the regularity with which Galactus feeds, and the types of planets needed.
SS’s perception and reaction time just puts Supes to shame.
So, SS would then drain Supes of his solar energy, leaving him weak as a kitten, a newborn babe, even.
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hmm, this thread poses a really good question actually. who would i use and who would i think i could make the strongest case for? i can def see ways both could win. if i had to debate for my life and got first pick? hrm. probably ss... but against a competent debater i wouldn't be enormously confident with either tbh.
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that's the problem. speculation in bz's doesn't work. judges typically only accept what's happened in panel. ss has a lot to offer, but he doesn't use his powers like we would very often at all. his best scan to use against supes--detecting the radiation that would kill gladiator--isn't even canon. he'd def need to go full exotic, but...that isn't always easy to prove viable. /shrug
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Jun 29th, 2018 04:16 AM
Re: Re: Silver Surfer vs Superman
