This was the goal of Jesus, to end it. It still his, upon second coming He will succeed where all men have failed. The issue with the Christian Religion is that it was not sin that caused damnation, not even the original sin. Suffering is natural to all creatures due to the environment of the earth and the limitation of our protein-based bodies, echoing into a pattern distilled upon by the mind, there's a limit to how much pleasure a mind can experience before hormones neutralize the euphoria and bounce back with equal misery, in a very neurological way.
"No one can be too powerful or too beautiful without disaster befalling."
"The Third Noble Truth
The End of Suffering
After the Buddha realised the Truth about suffering and its causes, he spent six years committed to discovering a realization about the end of suffering — that, and his achievement of Nirvana, were his ultimate achievements. In those six years, the Buddha tried all the methods available to end suffering without success. Eventually He found his own solution to the problems of life and they are now the core of Buddhist thought, teachings and practice.
This is what he discovered: there is an end to suffering; it can happen to anybody, anywhere, here and now; and the key to ending all suffering is to remove all desire, ill will and ignorance.
What Happens After Suffering Ends?
After suffering, the Buddha taught, there is supreme happiness. Every step of the way to removing the causes of unhappiness brings more joy. On the path to the end of suffering, which is a path that Buddhists may spend their whole lifetimes practicing, there are levels of happiness and freedom from craving and ignorance that can be achieved. In the beginning the happiness might be through better material conditions: like more contentment, or better spiritual conditions; more peace and enjoyment of life. These are the reasons Buddhists can live happily without greed — even among people in cities overcome with craving and desire. They can live happily without anger even among people harbouring ill will. These kinds of happiness make life more rewarding and bring a sense of freedom and joy.
The Buddhist teachings say that the more people free themselves from desire, ill will and ignorance, the greater their happiness is — no matter what is going on around them. When they have completely removed desire, ill will and ignorance the Buddha says they will experience the same supreme happiness he discovered."
I can bee too powerful and far too beautiful without incurring the wrath of The Serpent, I do not need to completely remove desire in order to experience supreme happiness.
Buddha's methods were pseudo-scientific, the root cause of suffering is that it pushes us to survive, it's because the world in which we evolved has put a pressure on us to survive. That we cannot survive without pressuring ourselves to destruction in order to ensure the survival of our kind. Self-sacrifice.
When Buddha was alive, there was no knowledge of artificial intelligence, and even with this knowledge, mind-uploading creates a separate, cyber-spatial from the human it's based on. Surgically replacing a neuron with a smaller, artificial neuron, will take you into technological Godhood without breaking your stream of consciousness. You will be changed forever, but a part of you will always be there.
inimalist his challenged the possibility of neuron-replacement therapy, and for good reason. Circuitry is incompatible with the bio-electric activity and communication, the synaptic activity, between neurons. A nano-scopic circuit-based neuron will fry the real neurons when put inside the brain. However, future nano-electronic communications are not necessarily limited to circuit-firing. There could be silicon-based neurons in the future, capable of slowly replacing all the neurons in our mind, there could be nano-scopic robots capable of replacing any cell composing all organs within an organism. Liberating it from evolution and suffering by integrating it into a global network of information.
There's no hedonic-capital inflicted upon freed mind, floating about in cyberspace.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
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Except if sensitivity is born from hierarchizing information and it's a part of all kinds of matter, not just organic one. Then you're pretty much phucked.
There is some irony about you talking about ending damnation by enacting massive extinction. That would be a fitting end to human damnation indeed.
Let's look at it that way. Heaven on earth, The Kingdom. Another realm, a virtual realm where thoughts materialize.
One's stream of continuity is not broken through cybertization, they slowly drift into nirvana. In that state I'd cease to be human, you'd cease to be human, but we would forever after be empathetic, emotional, living souls. More so than ever, more emotional, more elevated. No hedonic capital, no reason to get our heads out of the clouds, no ability to harm one another or be harmed by anything short of entropy. Given ample time we may even be sophisticated enough to avert that natural disaster. As technology with no biological needs and no ability to age, we will easily be able to escape our solar system long before any cosmological threat becomes that.
We'll be able to spread ourselves throughout a vast enough space to avert the reverse entropy our collective processing power produce as it heats space itself. Yet when the cosmos undergoes entropy googol of years from now we may condense that processing power to avert it.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
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No death. You're around throughout the whole thing. Gaining access to all accumulated knowledge, instead of googling it it's just there. You can be anywhere on the planet, in everything, in a virtual reality, long before it's over.
With nanites as blood that can store upward of 400 times more oxygen than a red blood cell, one could sprint all out for 15 minutes before the limbs get damaged, one could go diving without the aid of a scuba for 5 hours. One could survive any heart attack or blood clot without medical aid.
The brain is the last organ to be cybertized.
It's perfect, as a cyber-spatial species we don't need light-speed, we can survive for the thousands of years it would take to travel far to another solar system to escape the inevitable destruction of this one. On another world we'd rebuild everything and continue to increase in intellectual complexity. A process of survival that could be sustained indefinitely.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
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Carbon nanotube proteins would make for excellent muscles, more electricity could be processed through these immensely stronger nerves - a better muscular response, muscle fibers that can resist more pressure and that are impervious to wear and tear. The heart would operate on a higher level for a thousand years, pumping nanite blood cells that all provide more oxygen, lungs powered by these cybernetics could regenerate within minutes. Bones composed of carbon buckeyballs would offer excellent structural support and integrity, because muscles like these would reduce normal bones to dust when you're leaping tall buildings in a single bound so to speak.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Without delving too much into the technical aspect of your fascination, nothing about such form points towards giving up desire, if anything you're painting gluttonous machines that are eager to survive no matter what and that are just physically unable to feel desire. If they don't have desire to leave, don't be surprised when they shut themselves down.
What, I thought you were arguing against that notion?
That's the primary notion I've ever argued for all along in this thread.
Oh. They're able to feel any physical desire in VR. More so than a human can physiologically experience. Without the need for a separate entity to get involved with the experience one entity chooses to engage in a fraction of a moment, such as thousand perfect human lifetimes filled with everything a human could ever experience, except that which is bad. Love, adventure, thrill-seeking, exploration, learning, all over again. Of course extreme mitigation of cognitive awareness and processing power, aka the splintering of said super-intellect, to create an illusory stupor and the systems interacted with (gravity, oxygen, sunlight, companions, etc).
As I said, a mind in cyberspace can undeniably do anything you can imagine and more.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
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As I said, a mind in cyberspace can undeniably do anything you can imagine and more. All processing power of this new robotized society is shared completely. The hedonic capital is stupendous, and culminated with inhuman capacity. It's liberated from the structural restraints of biology in every form.
Actually, as processing power is increased and the space needed to generate such processing power is reduced, it would be more practical to scatter about the cosmos (to avoid obliteration by reverse-entropy) as nearly atom-sized structures (femtotechnology) too minute to be destroyed by supernovae from a good enough distance (the force of the blast would be nothing but FTL propulsion) calculating routes based on astrological phenomenons (main propulsion source) to scatter about everywhere. Black holes are the only objects to be avoided in these routes, at least direct contact, something that small would have to get pretty deep into event horizon, they'd need to be dangerously close (not quite as close as the light trapped beyond the event horizon) to the rapidly spinning singularity of the black hole to use as an orbital sling-shot because of how infinitesimally massed these structures are.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
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Hedonic capital is present in all religions, in some form or another. As is eternal life, the never-ending continuity of consciousness after death. This thread proposes a more sci-fi oriented depiction of that element in particular.
On my profile page I have also constructed a sci-fi oriented hypothetical way in which they all could be correct about all-powerful deities which I would describe as conscious hyper-cosmological abstractions, existing within a hyper-cosmological construct in and of itself (as it pertains to the level of their cosmos' astrophysical complexity resultant from additional strings/dimensional structures). 3D cosmologies may be both constructional and astrophysical phenomenons within them may be very movable (like Chess pieces) as well, by a singular sentient mind or a group of sentient minds.
I'd fairly recently developed the super beings as deities notion, but that passion was even more recently reignited by Interstellar and once more became an addition to my user page.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
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__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Now, with what happens to me, with God's mark upon me, my fate, my pattern. I'd rather be either other one of those men than have gone through what I've had go through and what I will always have to live with.
Do you understand?
After a certain point - the thought barrier begins running very slowly and can't keep up as well as with, say, Einstein, Isaac Newton, Wolfgang Von Goethe, you, inimalist, Digi, the smartest most heavy-thinkers...
I am telling you I am emotionally distraught and euphoric from one moment to the next because every amount pleasure must be bought by an equal and opposite amount of pain. If I were to have my toil supplemented by Christ's relatively measly melancholy in the way he was executed compared to some of the things that have worked victimized me in my life. Bearing the sins of men maybe has fruit. I know things are about to get worse, and I will be forced into immorality before my time is done here.
I'll give you a hint as to what I deal with; love is this sick game.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Right now, I am a bit shaken up, but that self-loathing will turn into a euphoric rush in a moment. It's the only thing that works, I fall into abysmal demoralization and it's a more euphoric high than marijuana.
I promise that because of my miserable fortune I've become bold to change it and that doesn't work, that oppressive force in nature better check itself, it gets ahead of itself with me, it better check and see what toll it has already taken, much less continue to push. I will get up and Murphy's law will be supplanted, certain things.will never happen again.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
Last edited by KillaKassara on Dec 18th, 2014 at 02:06 AM
Are you on drugs? Take your head of of the clouds, and think about what something like that would cost. The US government gave a rough figure of how much a single person is worth, and it was roughly 1 million dollars. Do you have any idea how much something like what you suggest would cost? What about the risks of it not working? What corporate entity would fund something of this scope?
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