That's kind of difficult to do since we see so many stalemates and non-fights between these people. You almost could put that list in any order you want to and a case could be made for it.
Actually, having been so many fights between all of them and against others, including stalemates, doesn't make ranking them harder. Quite the opposite.
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Cassandra Cain should be pretty high up. Beat Shiva, draws with Slade in all their fights, pretty much loses to no-one in martial arts unless they have powers.
why, the middle of the list is so tightly compacted there is barely anything seperating them, but by the tinyest of margins, Bat is below alot of people here. Or at leaset, it can be argued 6/10 against batman in ALOT of these cases.
Captain America vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Elektra vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Daredevil vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Shang Chi vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Wolverine vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Black Panther vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Lady Shiva vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Iron Fist vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
Deathstroke vs Batman with no gear? Bats loses.
6/10 on alot of cases but Bats has an uphill struggle against all of the above, no doubt.
Its a very tight list, the difference is minimal. i just happen to give the Marvelites a 6/10 in the cases. DD vs BG = dd 6/10 , same for shiva. T'challa could possibly take 6/10 from the DC girls aswell as From Bruce. Possibly 5/5 split with Deathstroke.
Elektra Takes a solid major from the DC ers going by actual martial showings and displays.
Ironfist rapes stomps everyone on DC here. Wolverine beats them all soundly. Steve Rogers takes a solid 6/10 at least from them all. Not really that much room for them in the top spot now is there?
1. Dragon: Stalemated Batman without trying, called Bruce a "talented amateur". He would have killed Shiva if interference hadn't prevented it.
2. Shiva: Nightwing and Oracle have both strongly suggest that she is better than Bruce, and Batman himself has thought as much. She is a match for Dragon, but he seems to have the edge.
3. Cass: I feel that Cass > Shiva is largely CIS on Shiva's part, although she is still a contender. Deathstroke says Bruce couldn't beat her on his best day. I won't fault anyone who places her above Shiva though.
4. Deathstroke: Has way more trouble with streets than he should, but on average still is above Batman (if only slightly) and Nightwing. He says the only way for him to beat Cass is with CIS.
5. Batman: He's Batman. He'll put up a fight against anyone on this list, and has stalemated most of them but there is a lot of anecdotal evidence against him and when establishing a hierarchy it hurts his placement.
6. Nightwing: He thinks he can beat Cass in h2h. Dick is allegedly the equal of Bruce now according to some interviews, but I don't know if I buy it.
The Marvel placement is more difficult and convoluted - I'll post it when I finish.
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Richard Dragon has pretty much a perfect record, casually having the upperhand on the likes of Batman, dominating and/or beating Shiva (in two separate series, at least one of them being canon).
Batgirl has consistently proven to be above the best, be it Lady Shiva (twice, the second and last time even more conclusivly), Bronze Tiger (even as a little girl) with Bruce and many others giving her mad props at every change as the perfect fighter.
Batman has fought Karate Kid (two versions, including the pre-Crisis one) and performed exceptionally, had the upperhand in direct h2h combat against peak Prometheus in the rematch (this is actually an insane feat), stalemated and/or defeated Lady Shiva (it's ambiguous whether or not there was mind-control involved when he defeated her), King Snake, David Caine, Ra's Al Ghul in sword fights (centuries old) and many others.
Their record are certainly one of, if not the best and to put them at the bottom is laughably ignorant.
I don't have to call you dumb for not being able to read the thread's purpose properly, as in this not being a one-on-one vs match between the contestants (which you're trying to make it) but a performance chart, do I?
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Deathstroke's Meta abilities put him somewhere near the very top IMO. Batman has to be near the top, if we're considering overall impressiveness as displayed in feats.
just saying those, It's seems all the marvel characters are at the top, and all the DC characters are at the bottom. You've even got bullseye in front of Nightwing, in h2h formmidability? really?
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