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POINTS MATCH: logan vs cap

purely h2h. martial arts point system determines the winner. no need to ko, just score via strikes.

who wins?


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Wolvie has super speed? Not that it helped Spider-man against Cap eek!

If this is Logan vs Bucky is way closer.


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Assuming no claws, and with Logan's healing powers being moot in this style of combat, I have to go with Captain America. Not sure of the spread I'd give, but definitely favors Cap.


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niether style of combat is good for point fighting, Logan has more styles to call upon which should give him the edge.

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cap.

cap is more used to dodging than logan.


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point fighting is not real good indication of how a fight would go. Many point fighters, when put into a real fight out get man handle. There styles that are most effective in point fighting is not effective in a real fight or full contact match.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
point fighting is not real good indication of how a fight would go.
no one said it was. no expression


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I think leo trying to figure out how each match up in terms of MA skills, thats why he made these threads, so I am trying to let him know that point fighting has little to do with real fighting.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
I think leo trying to figure out how each match up in terms of MA skills, thats why he made these threads, so I am trying to let him know that point fighting has little to do with real fighting.
I think he's trying to determined who's more skilled, not who would win in a real fight

cap may be more skilled, but he can't beat logan in a real fight


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Originally posted by Battlehammer
I think leo trying to figure out how each match up in terms of MA skills, thats why he made these threads, so I am trying to let him know that point fighting has little to do with real fighting.


I agree.

Sparring like this is good practice for finesse and technique, but doesn't readily translate to "who's better/going to stomp" in a consistant way. (I am taking your assumption about the underlying motive at face value)


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I think he's trying to determined who's more skilled, not who would win in a real fight

cap may be more skilled, but he can't beat logan in a real fight

Being better at point sparing does not make one a more skilled MA, certain MA styles are made for point sparing.

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I have always thought capt. A to be on a better skill lever than other top street fighters of marvel (wolverine, dd, etc.)

in a real fight, he'd have trouble with wolvi coz of the healing factor, but in a point system like this he has all the advantages.


he's taller (longer reach), he doesn't tire (almost anyway), he has more finesse, he's used to dodging (while wolvi just soaks up damage), he's faster (curtesy of super soldier serrum and wolvi's 300lbs frame), and he's still titled as one of MU's best h2h fighters.


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I have always thought capt. A to be on a better skill lever than other top street fighters of marvel (wolverine, dd, etc.)

in a real fight, he'd have trouble with wolvi coz of the healing factor, but in a point system like this he has all the advantages.


he's taller (longer reach), he doesn't tire (almost anyway), he has more finesse, he's used to dodging (while wolvi just soaks up damage), he's faster (curtesy of super soldier serrum and wolvi's 300lbs frame), and he's still titled as one of MU's best h2h fighters.

wolverine not street leveler.


No he really doesent, his style of fighting is not good for point system, Logan superior knowledge of different MA would give him an advantage.

He smaller true, but he also a harder target to hit. Wolverine stamina is as good if not better. He does not have more finesse in the least, wolverine does not need to dodge, but has shown to be just as good as capt when the event calls for it as shown in there origins fight. Capt not faster in the slightest wolverine has superior speed feats. Wolverine posses super human level stats and also had his body physically enhanced by the same program. Capt not Marels bets h2h fight nor does that mean anything in point sparring.

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Originally posted by Starscream M
cap.

cap is more used to dodging than logan.


Yet Steve was impressed by Logan's dodging skills.


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No he really doesent, his style of fighting is not good for point system, Logan superior knowledge of different MA would give him an advantage.

He smaller true, but he also a harder target to hit. Wolverine stamina is as good if not better. He does not have more finesse in the least, wolverine does not need to dodge, but has shown to be just as good as capt when the event calls for it as shown in there origins fight. Capt not faster in the slightest wolverine has superior speed feats. Wolverine posses super human level stats and also had his body physically enhanced by the same program. Capt not Marels bets h2h fight nor does that mean anything in point sparring.
That's your opinion, which is about as reliable as someone bald-facedly asserting that focusing upon a single/few style(s) that specialize ina point system would give someone an advantage in point sparring. And Cap knows more styles than Logan anyway.

Cap has superior speed feats. It's not a question.
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Yet Steve was impressed by Logan's dodging skills.
Being impressed means nothing more than appreciating a certain notion. I can be impressed by an infant's scribbling. Doesn't mean that infant is better at art than I am.


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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Cap knows more styles than Logan anyway.


Yeah, sure. Based on Baron Zemo scan?

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Cap has superior speed feats. It's not a question.


Now that's very interesting. Examples of these "superior" feats?

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Being impressed means nothing more than appreciating a certain notion. I can be impressed by an infant's scribbling. Doesn't mean that infant is better at art than I am.


Whatever, Cap does more blocking than dodging anyway.


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I remember a wolverine issue, guest starring captain America, wolverine jumped towards cap (claws out) and coulda killed cap there and then, and this wasn't from behind cap saw wolverine coming and just stood there looking scared, wolverine saved cap from some invisible ninja who was about to kill cap...just saying, cap wasn't so fast then


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I remember a wolverine issue, guest starring captain America, wolverine jumped towards cap (claws out) and coulda killed cap there and then, and this wasn't from behind cap saw wolverine coming and just stood there looking scared, wolverine saved cap from some invisible ninja who was about to kill cap...just saying, cap wasn't so fast then


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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, sure. Based on Baron Zemo scan?



Now that's very interesting. Examples of these "superior" feats?



Whatever, Cap does more blocking than dodging anyway.

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