I havent, but dang it now you've totally invalidated my point.
Why did i try and use an example? Whyyy?
All Thorkness aside, simply because Superman can box doesnt make him one of the best boxers in comics.
No matter what some people will have you believe.
I am hazy on who it was, it actually might have been Moondragon AND Gamora at once. All I can tell you for sure is I went "Holy shit" 'cuz it was way better than I ever expected from Doctor Strange hand-to-hand.
And I get what ya mean. I THINK Abhi was posting that stuff in response to Khazar who said writers go out of their way to emphasize Superman's lack of skill, as Abhi said "only soule." To be honest, considering Supermex tends to specify "DCnU" in his posts, I think he intended this to be Pre-FLASHPOINT Superman.
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Supermex also likes to add stips as he goes, so, you never know!
Current Superman is just not as skilled as the older version. I'd still give the win to Thor in this scenario regardless of the version.
Bias? I dont think so.
I'm one of the first to admit Supes is the more powerful of the two, powers on.
Current Superman if powerless will lose badly to Thor w/o powers.I remember Odin making Thor fight for a year w/o his hammer or any weapon.Defeated Grog the God crusher while powerless according to the Official Index of the Marvel Universe Thor.Balder had Thor's power at that time fighting Seth.
I think Thor was stripped of his godhood or something like that, but it's hard for me to believe he was powerless when I saw the fight. He was swinging a chain causing a bunch of enemies to go flying(seemed to be superhumanly strong, although not impossible for "Peak Human" strength to do something like that), and he basically just tackled Grog and punched him a couple times or so IIRC. He very well may have been weakened, but I can't believe he was powerless based on the fight itself.
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Thor with powers can't handle a normal man as shown just now in Captain America.
J/K.
But yeah, Superman retains his kryptonian density and above human power even after being powerless. Add to the fact that he was a street level fighter in early days who is not above playing dirty and can take huge amount of punishment before going down and he would win here convincingly. Thor and his vaunted skills aren't worth shit here against a legit meta.
This ain't boy scout post-crisis Superman.
*shrug*
So does Superman's, whose battle skills is legend across time and space as shown when they were acknowledged by Pax Galactica and Legion of Superheroes.
I was reading the graphic novel which confirmed a lot of things about Thor's history.For example, Thor truth of history and Thor Vikings were confirmed canonical.Even details were those story took place.Even Thor's appearance in Venus#12 1951(This was stated to be Thor's golden age 1st appearance while JIM#83 is his silver age appearance) is confirmed canonical.There was even a Pre JIM 83 Chronology section in it.So I just felt sharing it here
I definitely could be wrong, but I would think that the Thor in VENUS was not the Thor that appeared in JIM #83, but later Marvel decided to retcon it as the same Thor. Kinda like how, IIRC, at one point DC retconned Wonder Woman's Golden Age appearances to be Diana's mom visiting the past.
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I am hazy on who it was, it actually might have been Moondragon AND Gamora at once. All I can tell you for sure is I went "Holy shit" 'cuz it was way better than I ever expected from Doctor Strange hand-to-hand.
Bluewaterrider: "I'm surprised that a Skyfather like Zeus defeated Hulk when Zeus' Top-Tier son Hercules has lost to Hulk."
