Well, that was just to answer your question. It's not an external power up.
He directly failed in one attempt, and in another he erased a "cone of psilence" with is PC. Now I know Surfer has some decent empathic abilities but he definitely isn't a mindraper ala Erads.
Strange, I just showed you a scan of Erads owning the entire Apokolips army, and that was a simple rush not unlike what SS is capable of.
SS nor Eradicator blitz the way that Superman does. 30+ years of Surfer show that, and Erads while having a kryptonian body which is perfectly capable of it, doesn't normally utilize it either.
Both can cross the universe at high speeds and normally fight bricks without blitz. Speedwise, they are similar.
Strength goes to Erads..sure, Surfer gets an edge in durability, speed is a toss up, matter manip and mental abilities is Erads, both have high's and lows ( I would know reading quite a bit of material on both) and they are comparable.
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Surfer has lost to firelord, a skrull clone of himself, Morg, Doom, Thor, a human made sonic shark missile, Black Panther, a Gun..etc.
Why give Erads slack over Majestic when Surfer has far from a perfect record against that tier himself?
Majestic is more than capable of victory against Erads OR Surfer.
Maj never even scored a KO on Erads....
Erads was crushing Maj with ONE HAND. Maj got a good shot in with his HV and used it to show Erads the multiverse which overwhelmed Erads temporarily. Eradicator came back just fine and upgraded from that.
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He didnt fail to do it. He held back and decided not to even though he had started the processs. It was even stated that he could have done it by the tenebrae but that he held back. So its not a question of whether its within his abilities. It depends on his mindset. Current surfer will have no problem doing with this as he is much more ruthless. Also That creatures "cone of psilence" was his mental defence which prevented galactus from discovering him. It was mentioned earlier in the comic. Surfer has more than just "decent" empathic abilities" He has abilites that match any of the top psychics and has some which even they dont have.
Huh? U showed a huge eradicator smashing members of the apokolips army with no combat speed being used at all. How is that even relevant? Also ABSOLUTELY NONE of the examples i mentioned of SS are even remotely close to what eradicator did. They are entirely unrelated to it and completely DIFFERENT. SS was performing complex movements, doging, attacking multiple opponents, at superspeeds while in battle. How is eradicator flying from above and hitting some guy at similar? Surfer has feats to show he can and does use combat speed while fighting and Erads doesnt. There is nothing similar about that.
The only thing that goes to erads is strength period. Matter/energy manip does not go to erads at all. Surfer has it in durability. The argument against surfers speed have been extremely weak and surfer has him beat there soundly. Mental abilities also doesnt go to erads. surfer has been able to use telepathy from galaxies away. He has mentally affected evry being on earth simultaneously. He has broken out of the mental control of the goddess backed with thirty Cosmic cubes. Has shown to be extremely powerful on the astral plane and displayed unique mental attacks not even displayed by some of the best psychics. How does Erads have superior mental abilities? Surfer also has him beat soundly in overall power output as well. Yes both of them do have highs and lows but surfers highs certainly outweigh his lows and based on feats he clearly has most of the advantages here.
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Dude..it says on panel that he failed. Erads has actually mindraped Superman, Matrix, Aliens, and humans far easier than other top tier telepaths.
Your best examples are flying rush in annihilation. This isn't a superman or flash style blitz. Erads can move as fast as surfer. Surfer isn't a speedblitzer and neither is Erads.
Erads is actually MORE ruthless than Surfer but within their personalities, it still doesn't matter much. The battle could go either way.
Strength enough to take SS out.
Actually it does.
I said SS has the edge there.
Erads has actually mindraped beings including Superman who has some great resistance feats of his own. Plus add Torquasm vo on par with Supes himself, and mindwiping and it's a complete package.
Debatable. SS at his highest levels never beat Thor, and has had problems with guys not on level with Erads, while Erads at his higher levels has beaten Superman. Performance wise, the powersets of both of them are very similar and once again, Erads actually has more powers. So it's a toss up with their variations in different areas.
We can agree to disagree...I really don't feel like pulling up scans.
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I am aware that you are not one of those posters that talks out of their asses and that you possess lots of knowledge about Superman. I find myself however, in the hard position of doubting that statement. If you could point just some of his good manipulation feats it would help to put some perspective.
Here it clealry explains that it failed because surfer held back and in essence decided not to. Not because of lack of ability. Also On this page he is about to scatter her molecules across eternity but once again holds back. Surfer simultaneously affecting evry being on the planet mentally is superior to anything eradicator has done as well as using telepathy from galaxies away
Huh what r u talking about? I didnt even mention the annihilation example. The only difference between the examples i mentioned and a flash style blitz is that while they use punches surfer used blasts. Really uve done nothing to at all diminish the examples ive brought up. These examples are are NOTHING like what eradicator did. Not even close.
After a prolonged period and if SS decided to just slug it out....sure he has a shot at that. Though with SS superior durability he would still have the advantage.
Surfer has superior feats. Destroying the mental defences of high level telepaths, affecting evryone on earth simultaneously breaking free of the Breaking free of the goddess mental control while backed by the power of 30 cosmic cubes etc. Surfer has the greater feats in this department as well.
According to feats ( which is what we use not simple blanket statements) it doesnt at all.
What kind of faulty ABC logic is this? Surfer having problems with guys not on erads level is based on circumstances and PIS so it is ABSOLUTELY IRRLEVANT. He wont be fighting the same way he was in this matches as he will be operating at full capacity. Surfer at his highest levels has never even had a conclusive fight against a regular thor. However in all those meetings he has had the upperhand. The only time surfer has lost to thor, thor was amped so its irrelevant anyways and even then its still faulty ABC logic which makes it an even weaker argument.
Also Erads does not have more powers than surfer. Surfer on the other hand based on feats is superior to him in most powers they do have together and has a superior power output. Offensively and defensively surfer has him beaten and his feats prove this.
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She actually acknowledge that Surfer could no doubt do what he says cept his inherent decency holds him back.. This personal trait does no longer exist in current version..
Bout blitzing both Skrull and Badoon fleets and their scans didn't even register that it was Surfer till after the blitz was over(Blast and all).. This is also quite similar w/ the Nova feat.. Don't see why this is no diff. than Supes or Flash style..
Erads does have some of the highest matter manipulation feat (Biomolecular) but it does not top Surfers highest; the manipulation of an entire civilization or the Ghaur feat (basicly from a cloud to a deviant biology).. SS >> Erads..
Ahh but Superman @ this time was a little less exp. in the art of psi defense and the other one was learning TVO.. Doubt Erads can do it @ current Supes level.. Zenlavian have a similar technique (TVO) as well unfortunately its not @ multiversal level yet but am waiting for it to get explored.. lol
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I didnt even mention the annihilation example. The only difference between the examples i mentioned and a flash style blitz is that while they use punches surfer used blasts. Really uve done nothing to at all diminish the examples ive brought up. These examples are are NOTHING like what eradicator did. Not even close.
