Yes, Jiren's concept of "power is everything. F*ck the weak. F*ck attachment" makes him a very honorable character... By that line of 'logic' I guess Darth Sidious was 'honorable' as well.
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Exactly that makes him an honorable man. F*uck the weak, weaklings don't care about themselves, why should he? I think you should see the difference between Darth Sidious and Jiren... if you would be smart, you would make a comparison between Vader and Jiren (qualities, because Jiren is not a villain, not a killer). Vader was a villain, but he still had those real qualities in himself, a real deep man that was far deeper than Yoda ever will be. A deep man will never care about those shallow attachments you have in mind, it's beneath them.
Seeing a lot of people across the internet upset at android 17 blasting Jiren in the back and it having some type or affect. Did I miss something? Jiren shirt being torn doesn't translate to Jiren being damaged. Did anyone else see any type of damage on him? Did I blink and missed out on something.
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I diagree on namek. Vegetas recoome to jeice zenkai was massive. His strength quadrupled after that beating. Not to mention gokus ginyu to frieza zenkai. He was around 7 times stronger when he met frieza.
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Jiren didn't take any significant damage whatsoever, no -- a few scratches, is all. However, that still equates to more 'actual' damage than anyone else has been able to deal him so far.
That said, it was explicitly stated that Jiren was "unguarded" when #17 blasted him... And in DBS, we know what can happen when a character is caught off guard: (please log in to view the image)
Regardless, it's pretty clear that catching Jiren by surprise like that WON'T happen again.
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to me black was the best super villian. Still there was some poor ass execution in that arc. Keeps him from being top dog as far as db villians. Jiren is one of the worst antagonists ive seen in a while. I dont even like to to hate him like frieza. I just hate him and honestly wish that when he gets dropped frieza deathbeams his forehead alla vegeta (recoome/veder)
When Jiren and Goku first fought, Jiren hadn't even powered up at all, yet SSB Goku /w/ KKx20 was laughably insignificant, and literally NO challenge to Jiren on ANY level. Fast-forward to more current episodes, and SSB Goku can now contend with a powered up Jiren on at least *some* level.... And don't even get me started on UI.
Then there's Vegeta. As a standard SSB, he was equal to SSB Goku. As an ASSB, he is now equal to SSB Goku /w/ KKx20. IOW, the initial ASSB amp was AT LEAST 20x... And his emotion boost is logically around 2x ASSB, which means 40x SSB.
...And keep in mind: these amps have occurred in the span of like 30mins, real time. So yeah, this blows Namek-era multipliers out of the water.
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Lol bruh Vader cared about all that shit but yes he like jiren could not get over the past. In Vaders case his attachments to it were so strong that he detested himself and projected it through his behavior until Luke pulled his card. Anakin is by far my favorite Star Wars character but Vader was a ***** if we are being completely honest. He just could not handle his shit...he did have tons of trauma and baggage tho to be fair
Exactly... but Vader is Anakin, he still had all those deep qualities, he was a deep man and like you said couldn't handle his baggage. But we have to be honest, his baggage was enormous. Because Anakin was so strong, he got such enormous baggage. And let's be honest, he was still young, with given a little more time to mature he would have handled it, but in the end, he still did what he was sent to do (with help of Luke). Deep is something you have developed, it's stays with no matter what have you done (stronger, deeper you are, greater baggage there is) no matter a hero or a villain or just some guy in the street and Jiren is such guy. He has some things that he still needs to handle in himself, but he is a person with very very high, deep qualities and so was Vader.
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And Vader didn't care about all that shit, not at all... for Anakin/Vader, for him what trully important was deep connection and deep relationship, that is what he trully cared about, everything wasn't what he trully cared about. It's different to help (which can give you a good feeling) and to really care.
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And this is why a comic book speedster, like a Flash, would trounce all of them.
Can't guard what you can't perceive.
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Jiren's backstory is ok by DBS standards. Very rushed, very garden variety, but what can you expect.
We still don't know what his wish is. Or who the evil being is.. I'm betting it's the head angel, or one of the angels.
I also think Android #17 was reaching.. If Jiren was using them, then Goku has been using his friends since the start. Gathering a team is what you do. As long as he didn't trick them or pretend they had a deeper bond then they did, I don't see anything wrong with Jiren gathering support to stop a mega threat that destroys everything in its path.
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