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Vitiate runs a gauntlet
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Jaggarath
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I do, actually. Sith amulets and the Wall of Light affect spirits. Vitiate is, shockingly for you I guess, a spirit. thumb up

That's a codex entry, lmfao. I don't recall Jedi Historian's writing the codex entries - unless you have something to prove it?
And even then, knowing a power's existence, and then being able to perform said power (or know how) is completely different.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And even then, knowing a power's existence, and then being able to perform said power (or know how) is completely different.

And being able to apply it at a certain potency.


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I do, actually. Sith amulets and the Wall of Light affect spirits. Vitiate is, shockingly for you I guess, a spirit. thumb up

Prove that they can be effective against Vitiate. I am waiting.

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That's a codex entry, lmfao. I don't recall Jedi Historian's writing the codex entries - unless you have something to prove it?
And even then, knowing a power's existence, and then being able to perform said power (or know how) is completely different.

How do you get codex entries? By interacting with the environment and documented records in the game.

Yeah, nice excuse. You sure that the likes of Barsen'thor III do not know how to apply Wall of Light? roll eyes (sarcastic)

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And being able to apply it at a certain potency.

The Jedi of the TOR era are likely stronger then those in earlier times on average and relatively do not lack in experience and competence either.

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They still lack the strength of Luke Skywalker.


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Jaggarath
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1.) They are effective against the spirits of Freedon Nadd and Exar Kun. Vitiate is also a spirit. thumb up
2.) Uh, cool? Like I said, knowing the power exists doesn't translate to knowing how to perform the power - let alone to a masterful degree.
Additionally, these codex entries are, to my knowledge, an out-of-universe source for the benefit of the player behind the computer screen.
3.) I don't really know, or care, if Barsen'thor knows the ability. I don't care for the speculation either way.

At this stage, your arguments are purely asking me to prove a negative, lol.


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S_W_LeGenD
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1.) They are effective against the spirits of Freedon Nadd and Exar Kun. Vitiate is also a spirit. thumb up

And these two are as powerful and capable as Vitiate?

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2.) Uh, cool? Like I said, knowing the power exists doesn't translate to knowing how to perform the power - let alone to a masterful degree.

Read this:

MASTERS OF THE FORCE and scholars of its many mysteries, Jedi Consulars serve the Order as diplomats and teachers of the ancient past.

Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)

Within the curriculum, Exar Kun: The Lesson, The Warning is a chapter that is commonly taught to padawans during the TOR era.

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Additionally, these codex entries are, to my knowledge, an out-of-universe source for the benefit of the player behind the computer screen.

I perceive them as documented pieces of history. They are actually obtained from the environment, after-all.

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3.) I don't really know, or care, if Barsen'thor knows the ability. I don't care for the speculation either way.

This Jedi seems to have incredible understanding of the Force. After-all, he solved the mysteries of Plague of Vivicar and the Children of the Emperor. Two major threats that would have destroyed the Jedi Order otherwise.

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At this stage, your arguments are purely asking me to prove a negative, lol.

I am asking you to prove that the referred powers can be effective against Vitiate. So far, your argument is that they are effective against much lesser threats. This is not sufficient proof.

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They still lack the strength of Luke Skywalker.

They collectively overshadow him.

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Jaggarath
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2.) That... that doesn't mean anything.
3.) I don't really care how you perceive them, tbh.
4.) Well, good for Barsen'thor?

1 and 5.) Being more powerful doesn't make you immune to attacks, lol.


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The power of a spirit is irrelevant, an amulet or wall of light severs any anchor a Sith spirit has to the physical realm and banishes them to the void.

Darth Sidious was the only one strong enough to be able to return to the physical realm through sheer strength and willpower, but he was thwarted by the combined spirits of every single Jedi that ever lived and trapped in the void.


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I'd also love to know how Vitiate would kill Sidious's spirit as well lol. Even if Vitiate destroys Sidious's clone body (which he wont), he has no way to destroy Sidious's spirit.

So at worst it'd be a stalemate.


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Those powers are effective against many threats, not denying this. But will they be effective against Vitiate? This is the question that may or may not be officially addressed.
So we draw our own conclusions. HINT: They will.
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It is an assumption much like yours.
Correct. You're making a claim without proof *opens proverbial trashcan* - and there it goes.

I on the other hand, am reaching a logical conclusion, it's called deductive reasoning:

1. Wall of Light and Force Light powers are effective against spirits.
2. Vitiate is a spirit.
3. Wall of Light and Force Light powers are therefore effective against Vitiate.

You claimed Vitiate isn't a normal spirit. Prove it.
You claimed Wall of Light and Force Light are conventional powers. Prove it.
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You don't think that the Jedi Order during the times of Great Galactic War would have knowledge of the referred powers? They were well-known powers in earlier eras FYI.
Your point being? They haven't even located Vitiate's spirit yet so even if they did they couldn't attack him.
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Who gets to decide my credibility? Some fans? roll eyes (sarcastic)
Your peers. So yes. laughing out loud
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And? What is the outcome? Force Drain powers do not destroy spirits. Revan drained the spirit of Meetra Surik to replenish his energy whenever he felt the need to. And guess what? Surik's spirit remained there.
Er, if Sidious drains him of all his power, he dies lol.

Funnily enough, Revan didn't drain Meetra of all her power.
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Vitiate can also drain spirits by the way, actually have. More importantly, he have demonstrated superior command of Force Drain powers then Palpatine.
To bad DE Sidious isn't a spirit. laughing
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And how is it his pawns were stopped by the protags?

Monoliths cannot be killed or so it is claimed.
I'm talking about those he possessed lol, he tries and fails to kill the protag many times, then gives up and pretends him wants you around. laughing out loud

And though the monoliths apparently can't die, they still couldn't kill the protags...

Guess they have limits, who could have guessed?


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To bad DE Sidious isn't a spirit. laughing


Well isn't he kind of one?


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Not in any way that matters, as his spirit is housed in a physical form.


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Beniboy casually destroying LeGenD with logic and reason, two completely foreign concepts to the latter.

He doesn't even know how to respond, he is utterly perplexed.


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2.) That... that doesn't mean anything.
3.) I don't really care how you perceive them, tbh.
4.) Well, good for Barsen'thor?

1 and 5.) Being more powerful doesn't make you immune to attacks, lol.


1 and 5. The Jedi were able to keep palpatine someone we all know to be more powerful than vitiate so this ability will work on vitiate if used.


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Jaggarath
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Vitiate is probably more powerful than Palpatine. And they didn't use Wall of Light on Palpatine, lawl.
They dragged his spirit to the depths of Chaos with all the remnants of the dead Jedi holding him down.


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Vitiate is probably more powerful than Palpatine.


Based on?

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Jaggarath
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The ground realities of the mythos. wink


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Gewd, I would avoid answering too if I were you. You are wise to cower before me.

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