If any source introduces a character more powerful than Valkorion and justify it with actual quantifiable showings, than I am all ears. But Palpatine and Luke Skywalker are not them, with existing data.
I disagree. The original stories of SWTOR are not bad. However, a player can loose interest in them due to MMORPG format of gameplay. As for the expansions, they are not bad either, however they do have shortcomings of their own.
KoTFE was a fresh reboot. However, MMORPG format ruined it, again.
It would have been much better if BioWare had expanded the story and role of each protagonist in the matters of galaxy, separately in the expansions, just like in the original story. Unfortunately, cost and time was an issue.
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Superior to what? When have Plagueis' limitations being shown in those regards? You realise there is no evidence Plagueis cannot accomplish any of that?
You mean clueless laymen? Hilarious.
That's nice dear, but I couldn't give a damn if you find the case convincing or not, especially when your going to cherry pick in your response, the point that the novel provides ample material to support a case for Plagueis' most powerful status, just as SWTOR has done for Vitiate.
Difference being the blurb legitimises Hego's claim.
And for the record no, there is no proof that Vitiate mastered midichlorian manipulation, his ability to cheat death nonwithstanding. And if he did? That only makes it more telling how he failed to achieve as much as with this power as Plagueis managed.
Oh but he did, the point I was making was that he did so without insulting the intellectual capabilities of his readers, but evidently at the expense of the intellectual challenged, I'm sorry that this upset you.
But sure, I would have much preferred Plagueis to have been killed in some imaginary mind realm where Sids got powerups from dead Sith Lords and used magic words to seal him away in a super special deus ex machina holocron, would have made for a great read.
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All I see from the blurb deniers is one fallacy after another. Every word they say is concession; every sentence they utter is defeat. Wollf, Beni, Urs... my friends, rise above this. Let the worms squirm in the filth of their own self-destruction, while we ascend beyond their comprehension. They are beneath our attention.
Superior to (actual) showings of Darth Plagueis. Your failure to distinguish actual showings from sheer hyperbole is most amusing. There is an utter lack of evidence that Darth Plagueis could replicate major showings of Vitiate; Darth Plagueis's perception doesn't count. Sith tend to have an inflated sense of what they can accomplish.
No, they managed to see through the hyperbole, and based their evaluation on actual showings instead. You can learn from them.
Concession accepted on the first part. And that case is?
It doesn't. It is an (unsubstantiated) hyperbole, to garner attention of audience.
Did I assert that Vitiate practiced Midichlorian Manipulation? My point is that Vitiate managed to influence his midichlorians through his own devices (i.e. Sith Sorcery); this is apparent from the fact that he enhanced his potential, halted his aging and/or managed to extend his life for indefinite period. Common sense dictates that none of this is possible without affecting the midichlorians in the body. Sith Sorcery might be perceived as magic but its effects are real.
Darth Plagueis lived in a different era; by that time, the field of science had advanced much further and midichlorians could be directly observed and studied in laboratory settings during that time. Darth Plagueis was lucky to exist in that era and he was able to commune with the midichlorians and influence them, directly. This is not a sign of his superiority in ways of the Force in any way or form. If Vitiate was in the shoes of Darth Plagueis, god knows what he could accomplish.
No, you are proving to be intellectually challenged instead. The novel, in no way or form, promotes Darth Plagueis as the most powerful Sith to have ever existed; the novel is written entirely from his perspective. On top of it, actual showings of Darth Plagueis, in the novel, do not affirm his superiority either. The marketing blurbs are absolutely hyperbolic, slapped on the novel by the publisher without proper homework. Even neutral observors noticed this. Shame on you.
Since the two faced entirely different set of circumstances, there was no need for that. However, Darth Plagueis's demise could be a engineered in a more convincing way than how it happened in the novel. Like I said, it is all about writing. James Luceno is as much of a disappointment as Drew Karpyshyn is.