Yes, his potential was Sidious+ before the thing, and he was as strong as the Emperor in the Force, but when he got crippled he wasn't as strong, and he was like Maul or Dooku as in that his potential was inferior to Palpatine's.
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Read the quote: it says Palpatine wanted someone who WOULD become more powerful than him (which means that he didn't have someone more powerful than him) but that his plan got screwed up by Obi-Wan, crippling Vader and making him like Maul+Dooku, guys whose potential was below Sidious'. He wasn't as strong as the Emperor in Force POTENTIAL which does not equate to actual power that is usable in combat. KF Vader definitely has more potential, but he hasn't unlocked it.
And what does the second one prove? It says Vader's power was growing, and that Vader knew how powerful Sidious was. Even if Vader claimed parity with Sidious his arrogant opinion matters nothing when seven quotes say Sidious was the most powerful as of ROTS.
The quotes I was talking about weren't the ones you posted. They labeled Vader's Force abilities as unparalleled and Vader as far more dangerous than anyone in the universe. However, seven other quotes say Sidious was the most powerful.
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Lol, nice strawman. I would be interested in seeing you provide an instance of Sidious trying and failing to TK Vader, though, because nothing like that comes to mind.
No one ever said he was stronger than Sidious, the quote says after his injuries he was no longer "as strong as the Emperor", implying that they were equals before.
Last edited by Rebel95 on Aug 24th, 2017 at 01:00 AM
Anyways, dumbassery aside, 1 through 5 look pretty set in stone.
5. Valkorion
6. Darth Nihilus
7. Darth Plagueis
8. Darth Krayt (for using Dark Transfer to resurrect himself and punching out Abeloth)
9. Kyp Durron
10. Raynar Thul
11. Revan
12. Darth Caedus
8-12 look up for debate, most of all.
I ought to make versus threads for them.
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If you're much better than someone, then you need to be at least as strong as them. Vader was no longer as strong as Sidious in the Force. He was weaker. What George was trying to say was that after Vader was crippled he lost lots of his Force potential, and that Vader was weaker than Sidious. So, no longer stronger than Sidious, not even as strong as Sidious. It's not rocket science.
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There's perhaps a dozen quotes stating Anakin's the most powerful Jedi. Considering Yoda has quotes too, it's fair to break even and put them on par.
We also have quotes (and feats) to demonstrate that Anakin is the greatest warrior of the era, in which Sidious isn't exempt.
With KF!Vader, we're dealing with an even more powerful version than Jedi Anakin, who was someone Yoda level in Force power and Yoda+ level in combat.
Everything considered, I think it's clear KF!Vader can trade blows with Sidious. Defeat him? Probably not, principally due to character differences, but it's close.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Aug 24th, 2017 at 05:11 PM
A dozen? I counted, like, five. At best. Discounting maybe a character opinion or two. Yoda has more quotes. It's not fair to put them on par. More sources have Yoda as the most powerful, thus Yoda is the most powerful.
Anakin's feats do not match up to Sidious at all and we have two quotes that claim Anakin is the best. We have seven putting Sidious as the most powerful. Obviously, Sidious>Anakin. One or two quotes mean nothing when we have seven stating otherwise.
Anakin was not Yoda level in Force. Statements debunk this, feats do too. Yoda+level in combat is also ludicrous. They're equal in technical skill but bar one statement Yoda has much better feats physically- stalemating Sidious who moved faster than Anakin can see and has much better speed feats than Anakin. Even pre-prime. Yoda is above Anakin. In nearly if not every category relevant to combat.
And by trading blows, it depends. If it's clashing blades a few times, yes. Threatening Sidious? Having a close fight with him? Absolutely out of Vader's capabilities.
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