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Nataku's Amalgam tournament, final round... Scoobless vs Longpig!!!

This battle shall take place in New York city.

Scoobless

Flash Thordon

Quasar: Mind/Quantum Bands
Flash: Power
Thor: Body/Hammer/Power

Flash (Wally West)
http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/wally.html

Quasar
http://www.quantumzone.org/behind_t...ntum-bands.html

Thor
http://www.avengersforever.org/char.../Characters.asp

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Longpig

Absorbing Man - Body, powers
Flash - Powers
Dr Strange -magical fighting ability mind and powers

Dr Strange
http://www.marveldirectory.com/xoop...php?entryID=223

Flash (Barry)
http://www.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=flash2

Absorbing Man
http://www.marveldirectory.com/xoop...y.php?entryID=2


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Old Post Aug 10th, 2005 04:30 AM
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I have two tactics, but this one is what I'll put up first.


----------------------One Hour Prep----------------------------------

Conjures the EOA to go on his forehead. ET=30 seconds

Turns into Iron. ET=Instantaneous

Conjures his shields. ET-Instant

Conjures his Astral Ring. ET-Few seconds.

Conjures his illusions........I here recently read in DS# 42 where Strange conjured 1000 of them in a split second(I have scans, if you need them.).
Very nice. 1000 it is. ET=Instant

Conjures again the Crystal of Cyttorak around his body, goes to Astral Form. ET=1minute
To add further protection the time compression spell is caste around the area of the Crystal. ET=1minute
(Basically, if the hammer is thrown at or if Flash Thordon decides to ram the Crystal, he's/it's gonna get stuck in time compression. )

Casts invisibility spell over the Crystal. ET=Few seconds.

--------------------------End of Prep------------------------------------

----------------------------Stratagem-----------------------------------


As soon as the bell rings, I send my illusions to rush forth as hard as they possibly can. I'm going to go after Flash Thordon's weakest point, his mind.

Quasar's mind is all but normal human, he can try to put up quantum barriers in his mind all he wants, but just like magic passes through his quantum shields, magical telepathy will pass through his quantum barriers.
Only high level mystics and high level Psi's can see the Astral form(and even then they might not be able to if the Astral form wills itself invisible), Quasar is neither.

All the illusions will be going at him with their own small amount of telepathy, not enough to actually hurt him, but to chip away at his concentration enough for me to break out my spells and my own personal telepathy attacks backed by the Eye of Agamotto.

The first spell that goes against him is the spell of confusion and forgetfulness. (Yes, Mjolnir can absorb magical blasts, but he's never been able to absorb spells.)
Seeing Quasar's mind isn't very strong, those spells will work on him as they would a normal human.

As the spell starts working it's magic, Thordon will lose more and more concentration....wondering just exactly what he's doing here.....
I'd be surprised if Thordon is still holding his hammer at this point.

If he isn't holding his hammer, he's going to be blasted to hell and back with magical blasts that have taken out 2 of the top 10 most powerful beings in all creation.
If he still has his hammer.....I won't blast him yet.

The second spell is Mists of Munnopor, it basically a mist that instantly appears around the victim's face poisoning the air they breath(Yes, Thor breaths, as does Odin who was taken down by a similar spell.)

When he finally starts to loose consciousness and fall under the spell of total and utter confusion and forgetfulness and poison, I undo my spell of the Crystal and use them instead as the bands of Cyttorak which will hold Thordon completely and utterly helpless. I also undo my time compression spell and turn it upon Thordon to keep him from struggling, if any, he may do.

Again I go for the incapacitation win.

Short and sweet.
Basically one of the only two ways to totally dominate Thordon without the fear of being harmed myself.


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that's a whole lot of spell-casting to be doing at the outset of the match..... the word "Instant" is relative..... what is "instant" to Strange moves at a snails pace to Thordon... in fact by the time you've thought of the first spell to perform you'll be on the receiving end of a power blast that would bring Galactus to his knee's (Mjolnir boosted with all the energy the Quantum bands can muster).... and hit so suddenly and furiously that Absorbing Man couldn't hope to adapt in time.... and if he did manage to start absorbing he'd explode


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As soon as the bell rings, I .........


basically, as soon as you've registered the bell ringing in your mind, you'll be under an enormously powerful assault

this basically disrupts the rest of your plan, forcing you to go on the defensive (unless you're knocked out or destroyed by the initial blast)

i'm talking about the blasts i used in the first match..... pooling Quasar's unlimited energy supply, funneling it through Mjolnir (which in turn will multiply it), adding Mjolnir's own energies and firing them out in a continual energy wave that will destroy everything in it's path, this will be backed up with small (but powerful) quantum constructs flying at you faster than light.... shredding any magical defensive shields you could throw up, or, more likely, already have in place prior to the match

i'm unsure if you can go astral before the match as your physical presence is required on the battlefield

time compression..... hmmm... i saw a scan you posted once... i don't think it said exactly how compressed time gets under that spell.... but as Thordon has the capacity to move so fast that he can time travel i doubt it'll be effective against a quick strike attack... especially with the relativity factor... ie... moving faster that light himself, then blasting his energies in front of him even faster, and possibly using the quantum boosted hammer attack throw again (as in the last round) which would travel with even more speed


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as far as those 2 strategies go my vote goes to long pig, but I can still be persuaded seeing as it is early

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I hate magic. I'm torn, I love longpig, and I love scoobless... but longpig has magic...

Good thing I'm not voting!


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Flash Thordon is not that muck faster than longpig
i vote for longpig, but scoobless still could win


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Flash Thordon is not that muck faster than longpig
i vote for longpig, but scoobless still could win


he is faster, much faster in movement thanks to the Quantum Bands, and faster in reaction because of Wally ..... and much more practiced.... every prep time we've had so far i've been increasing control over my speed... LP has done nothing but use magic..... at this point the speed difference is huge


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I'll be keeping an eye on this battle, and won't cast a vote just yet, but for the moment I'm leaning toward Scoob. Brief explanation: A telepathic spell would take time and concentration, and in the meantime Q-constructs can ruin Strange's shields and what-not.

But I'm sure lp will find an issue where Strange casts the "anti-Thor" spell, so I'll stay tuned...

And a congrats to both of you by the way. Scoob making a bid for a repeat and LP intelligently utilizing the single best pick in the tourney...both excellent jobs.

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Not gonna vote yet, seeing as LP has yet to unleash his master plan the second... But since the Q constructs pretty much bypass magic, LP's body isn't moving, and Mr. Thordon is a mite faster, I'm leaning towards Scoob. But then again, alternative strategies are there for a reason.


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that's a whole lot of spell-casting to be doing at the outset of the match..... the word "Instant" is relative..... what is "instant" to Strange moves at a snails pace to Thordon...

How do you figure you are any faster than me?

We both have the layer of Flash that speeds up our reaction times.
You are no faster than me....at all.

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in fact by the time you've thought of the first spell to perform you'll be on the receiving end of a power blast that would bring Galactus to his knee's (Mjolnir boosted with all the energy the Quantum bands can muster)

Will I?
How will you see me? I'd be im Astral Form....Quasar can't see Astral form. You'd be too busy trying to figure out which is the real Strange of all the illusions, which none of them will be.

Did you forget I'm in Astral plane?


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.... and hit so suddenly and furiously that Absorbing Man couldn't hope to adapt in time.... and if he did manage to start absorbing he'd explode

What exactly are you hitting? You won't see me, you won't see my body and you won't be able to get to it even if you do somehow see it.

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basically, as soon as you've registered the bell ringing in your mind, you'll be under an enormously powerful assault

We are basically the same speed.
My reactions are backed by Flash, so are yours.

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this basically disrupts the rest of your plan, forcing you to go on the defensive (unless you're knocked out or destroyed by the initial blast)

Did you not even read my strategy?
You're not hitting anything. You will see 1000 Stranges attacking you and that's it.

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i'm talking about the blasts i used in the first match..... pooling Quasar's unlimited energy supply, funneling it through Mjolnir

Quasar can't even boost his own strength with the quantum bands, you won't be able to boost your hammer.

Show me one scan where Quasar boosted his strength with the bands.

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shredding any magical defensive shields you could throw up, or, more likely, already have in place prior to the match

Only the seriphem shields may be effected.....it's doubtful that it's true.
The Crimson Bands aren't shields, they are binding forces.

Can you show any proof that quantum forces pass through magic shields? Or are you only looking at a Quasar fansite like the one you gave Evangle?

There is no proof that quasar can effect magic shields, it's a theory by a fan. Nothing more.

Quantum energy won't pass through the Crimson Bands, they aren't the same as shields.

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i'm unsure if you can go astral before the match as your physical presence is required on the battlefield


You can. I asked a long time ago if it was ok. It was.

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time compression..... hmmm... i saw a scan you posted once... i don't think it said exactly how compressed time gets under that spell....

The black hole?
No.
The time compression he put around an atomic countdown clock. It made the clock and everything in its area slowed down and stopped.

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but as Thordon has the capacity to move so fast that he can time travel i doubt it'll be effective against a quick strike attack... especially with the relativity factor

If Flash goes faster than light, he time travels....but he doesn't know where he will end up. Possibly off the battlefield giving me a win.

If you leave the battlefield, you get DQ'd. Time Travel is definatly leaving the field.
Unless.....that's how you want to do it....we can definatly play dirty.

To recap:
You aren't faster than me, you can't see me in Astral Form, you won't know who is the real Strange out of all those 1000 illusions...all attacking you.

You won't see the crystal, you won't effect the crystal, you can't charge your hammer.....did I miss anything?

I still don't even think you will know how to work your hammer.
The people who picked up Mjolnir as was able to use it got a portion of Thor's conciousness from the hammer itself......you only have Quasar's conciousness.

You can't have both Thor's conciousness and Quasar's, so therefore, you won't know how to use your hammer....at all.


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long pig, due to his lengthy rebuttle

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Well, Scoob's in luck (partially). Both Dark Thor and The King of All were here after May. Sorry fellas, but your votes won't be counting. It prevents some interested parties from voting, but also acts as a safeguard for the tourney (Evangel's original rules, not mine).

So Scoob is still losing, but only 2-0. Not 4-0.

Also, "due to his lengthy rebuttle" is a bit of a suspect reason to vote. If sheer number of words won you fights, I'm pretty sure Sentry would be in this fight right now (or Nat/SF for their 21 page epic battle).

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Scoobless. He has the FAR FAR better Flash and two different ways of screwing with Strange's magic.

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How is Wally better?
As soon as Wally goes past light speed he goes into the Speed Force dimention, which means he's DQ'd for leaving the battlefield.

So he can only go near lightspeed, same as Barry Allen.

There isn't a difference between the two Flashes here.

Unless we CAN go into other dimensions, then of course that's where my body will be shunted while I'll stay in this plane only in Astral Form.


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How is Wally better?
As soon as Wally goes past light speed he goes into the Speed Force dimention, which means he's DQ'd for leaving the battlefield.

So he can only go near lightspeed, same as Barry Allen.

There isn't a difference between the two Flashes here.

Wally goes past light speed, he hangs out in the Speed Force for a while but comes back. The one time Barry hit light speed, he basically died (converted to pure energy, likely joined the Speed force, which is the afterlife for speedsters). Wally has been unequivocally stated to be faster than both previous flashes. Wasn't going to that much detail about why Wally is better, but you did ask.

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Exactly, Wally can't go faster than light unless he goes into the Speed Force Dimension, which isn't allowed here.

Wally is faster only because of his speed force connection, otherwise, he's the same as Barry.

Wally=Barry until Wally goes into the Speed Force....and since he can't do that here, he's exactly the same as barry.


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Exactly, Wally can't go faster than light unless he goes into the Speed Force Dimension, which isn't allowed here.

Wally is faster only because of his speed force connection, otherwise, he's the same as Barry.

...That's kinda like saying Superman is only so powerful because of his stored solar energy. Obviously, without it, he'd be screwed, but he does... thus you have the Man of Steel.

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Your point is taken....

But it was stated directly that there is no dimension hopping allowed, that was a drawback of having Wally.

The rules of the tourney basically neutered his ability to go FTL.

I mean, if we can go to other dimensions, then I'd like to know for myself so I can use it for my advantage.
Do you think we can, Khell?


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