HAS whooped venoms ass? did you even read the MARVEL statistics and the fact venom beat him in the SERIES! it was more than one issue. i used to like juggernuat but this argument has made me realize he is a idiot who gets canned all the time. did you see where superman flew up and smacked juggy like th slow moron he is, then venom came to the DC universe and almost killed superman and spiderman.
what a suprise? what else do i need to say? the unstopable Juggernuat is a myth nowadays, how long has it been since he has throtteld anyone worth mentioning? like i posted before cry all you want Venom is overall the better character 22.5 to 22, he won in the comics, and he beats people that juggernuat cant. its over VENOM WINS.
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Venom may win vs Juggy, but he ultimately loses for the stupidest of all reasons.
So after this great fight Venom and GR go out for a couple of beers to celebrate. Well about 6-7 pitchers into the night Ghost Rider (who doesn't handle his alchy very well) feels his stomach shift. Venom looks at him like the freak he is, what with a flaming skull and all. And then outta no where Ghost Rider lets out this Hellacious burp that sends Hell Fire scortching across then table and right into Venoms face. Well needless to say "Mr. Symbiote" doesn't like hell fire that much so it moves outta the way leaving eddie brock exposed while this flame thrower of a burp chars Venom to death....the end.
(obviously this is a joke so nobody better get butt hurt and rant on about "that never happening" because well......no sh*t obviously this didn't happen)
Where did you get this from? According to the ***official*** Handbook of the Marvel Universe (have you ever seen one?), it - quote - "traumatizes the human soul."
What???? They are both comic books, one; two, Venom has a symbiotic relationship with a nigh-sentient alien costume. That is "REALISTIC?" Ookay then.
As I said earlier, that is ENTIRELY up to the WRITER. For EXAMPLE, I hope you are aware of who EMMA FROST is. Have you EVER seen her turn into a diamond before? NO. Grant Morrison, in the New X-Men, granted her this ability to turn into a DIAMOND. ONE writer might allow sound to penetrate Juggernaut's forcefield. ANOTHER writer might not. Do you now see what I said that it depends on the WRITER? I mean, seriously, does this not make sense?
You, like venomfan, resort to copouts when presented with information that successfully defends my points and subsequently refutes yours. Notice that it is "also stated" in Juggernaut's bio his durability threshhold? Juggernaut is capable of taking more punishment than damn near anyone in the entire Marvel Universe.
Let me show you further evidence that I know what I am talking about and...well...frankly, you need further schooling.
Recall my saying Juggernaut is not bright? Recall my saying that Venom is also not bright (you said he is not "dumb" but said Juggernaut is "dumb")?
Well it says RIGHT HERE:
Juggernuat
intellegence 2.5
Venom
intelligence 2.5
Whoa. WHOA? *sigh* But you don't want to listen. Exhibit number two?
I just stated that Juggernaut is capable of taking more punishment than damn near anyone. Although I do not AGREE with this rating, it in SOME way underscores my point:
durability 7 <<<<<<
Venom's durability?
durability 1 <<<<<<
Hello? Earth to Houston?
This means that, according to that website (notice Venomfan did not give the URL? LMAO), Juggernaut is roughly SEVEN TIMES more durable than Venom. SEVEN TIMES.
They are EQUALLY DUMB.
Venom is faster, more agile, and has quicker reflexes. That should have been UNDERSTOOD.
Juggernaut is FAR STRONGER (stronger than indicated here) than Venom, and FAR MORE DURABLE.
So, bucko, in a LONG, DRAG OUT FIGHT (which it WOULD BE), Venom would land more hits (little DINKS) while Juggernaut would probably land ONE.
HAHAHA! that is the weakest suace i have ever seen, you didnt go over everything did you? no you didnt becuase you wanna belive your own hype. you did intellegence and durability and strengh a tie and two for juggy. were as venom is superior in agility,speed and reflexes. hmm 2 to 3? oh yeah im still right. not to mention the total statistic wich put venom over by .5 that means MARVEL itself has shown venom to be able too beat juggernuat in
A:comics
B:statistics
C:defeating charaters juggernuat cant
why waste your time with stupid arguments.
ONLY POST MARVEL COMICS REFERENCES THAT WOULD AID YOUR ARGUMENT!! not your ideal world were you dont have to read comics you can make up what happens
by the way yes juggernuats durability actauly surpass'es the 7, but to portray those stats here i rounded them down. just so you dont painc and say OMG you coped out! i rounded down 3 of venoms stats.Strength,Fighting, ability, and intellegence
to refine my point. with hulk and ghostrider out of the picture i know Venom could not beat juggernuat in a fight. but i do belive he could "DEFEAT" him(wich he did). realy thats the only way anyone beats juggernuat.
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Notice I pointed out that Venom is superior is reflexes, agility, and speed? If you missed it, I will quote it for you:
See it now? Does that not say the EXACT same thing that you said by posting these "statistics?" Hmmmm?
That being said, SPIDERMAN is faster, more agile, and has quicker reflexes. He is also MORE intelligent. So he outgrades Juggernaut too, correct? Juggernaut is only stronger and more durable.
So...according to YOUR logic...because Spiderman "beats" Juggernaut in statistics, he would win in an actual battle? LMAO!
Notice that Superman is faster, quicker, more agile, has better reflexes, and is more durable than Batman? Batman only has Superman in the smarts department.
Also notice that Batman thumped Superman's ass in DKR and in DKSB? Hmmm?
So exactly what do those statistics mean in an actual fight?
Squat.
Magneto stronger and smarter than Venom. Venom has more fighting skills, is more durable, is more agile, has better reflexes.
Magneto would utterly DESTROY Venom. Simply manipulate the iron in his BLOOD.
logic? you actually have none
MARVEL itself has shown venom to be able too beat juggernuat in
A:comics
B:statistics
C:defeating charaters juggernuat cant
i said that once I will say it again. I unlike you have a POINT
is magneto even in this disscusion? no, you bring a lot of other characters into this becuase you have no basis for Juggernuat.
i won this argument a long time ago. move on
LMAO, Magneto = an example of one who has less "statistics" but would own Venom's ASS.
You say "Venom wins in STATISTICS!!" Whoop de doo. Art College, you say? Or Art High School?
Devil Hulk first appeared in Hulk #12. Hulk is one of my favorite characters, with Spiderman and Daredevil. LoL, clearly you forgot to whom you are talking.
Hey Never... though you say you have knowledge about the subject, your imature arguing says otherwise. You need to just grow up and face the facts that you are wrong and grow up a bit alright. Oh ya.... Don't Cry after you read this. Thanks
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Never you brought the issue of Venom's powers being unreal while saying nothing about the unrealness of Juggy's.
Next you say, the ability of Venom's Symbiote making it's way past Juggy's force shield is up to the writer. Congratulations that's pertty much what I've been refering to, "THE POSSIBLITY OF VENOM GETTING THROUGH JUGGY'S FORCE FEILD" I never said it was for sure, however unless the fight takes place in an enclosed area Juggy would never really be able to hit Venom IF Venom tried to avoid Juggy or stay out of range while using a camoflauged tendrel of Symbiote to enter Juggy's armor (if it's possible).
CHANCES are IF this fight WAS made into a Comic AND my idea for Venom's attack was used, I WOULD THINK it would work since Juggy IS MORE of a Bad Guy then Venom (Venom being a vigialanti now).
totally, this argument will never end becuase we are all looking at it from differnt views. what it boils down to is what type of fight are we talking about.
if we are looking at this as a battle of abilities
a good guy bad guy fight
a what if
or a _____ comic series(hulk series for example)
how they have evolved, or have fought in the past
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Never doesn't need to cry...i'll do the crying for him. First off who the hell r u? where do u see flaw in Never's logic? As never pointed out...stats mean squat. Venom beating Juggy means squat because it's in Venom's own comic series. I see Never providing a very rigorous argument...
stats dont mean squat, if you go to the actual marvel site it lists venom to be overall better than juggernuat. the point i was trying to prove is that there are pleanty of valid arguments showing that venom can beat juggernuat, but no referances that show juggernuat could win(i dont doubt he could). but never says its downright impossible,that Venom could defeat juggernuat. thats the only reason im still even posting
im im not going to stop tell he admits it
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fair nuff Veny...i dun like arguing with u n e way. I just still don't think stats mean crap. Reed Richards could beat either of them and his stats suck other than his intelligence. (note i said beat...not beat up)
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