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Slayer is great. IMO one of the best bands I've heard.


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JKS, you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about do you? Realistically.

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Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
Anthrax's first album was released in 1984, and was more speed metal/punk influenced more than anything. Not a thrash metal innovator. Exodus formed the same time as Slayer, and didn't even put an album out before Slayer had 3, including a live record. Nothing there either. Metallica, neither. Venom, I credit with, creating BLACK metal, not so much thrash metal.
No one said anything about when their first albums were released, we're talking about when they FORMED and started playing wink

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Well in that case, none of the bands formed thrash metal in their garages did they?

Let's be honest.

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JKS, you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about do you? Realistically.

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LMAO!

You amuse me. You do nothing but say "ur teh wrongorz" over and over and over and over. *YAWN


Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that.

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You amuse me. You do nothing but say "ur teh wrongorz" over and over and over and over. *YAWN


Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that.


A) I've never actually said that.

B) You base the second comment on what?

I'll await your retort. Sure it'll be hilarious.

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Well in that case, none of the bands formed thrash metal in their garages did they?

Let's be honest.

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Uhhh yeah...Do you actually know anything on the subject?
Thrash was born out of bands basically playing covers of bands like maiden, priest, sabbath etc... and also covers from punk bands and they justended up fusing the musicianship of nwobhm bands with the sppeed and attitude of punk bands.

Metallica is widely considered to be the first true thrash band, despite bands like venom and tank who had thrash elements to their music. Exodus formed shortly after up in SF and slayer soon followed in huntington park.

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Uhhh yeah...Do you actually know anything on the subject?
Thrash was born out of bands basically playing covers of bands like maiden, priest, sabbath etc... and also covers from punk bands and they justended up fusing the musicianship of nwobhm bands with the sppeed and attitude of punk bands.


Yes, but the true definition of what thrash metal is wasn't formed when they were doing covers, was it? Because thrash metal wasn't born from covers.

Thrash metal was born when the people who aspired to do something different started recording their own songs in their own styles. Hence their albums, aka what Cine was referring to.

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Metallica is widely considered to be the first true thrash band, despite bands like venom and tank who had thrash elements to their music. Exodus formed shortly after up in SF and slayer soon followed in huntington park.


Yes.

Where does this disprove what I've said?

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A) I've never actually said that.
Of course not, not even you would be dumb enough to say "ur teh wrongorz", but you do keep implying that.

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B) You base the second comment on what?
The fact that I continually display more knowledge than you.

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I'll await your retort. Sure it'll be hilarious.

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And I'll await your next reply telling me how wrong I am. LMAO

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Of course not, not even you would be dumb enough to say "ur teh wrongorz", but you do keep implying that.


You're the only one saying it, so what does that tell us?

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The fact that I continually display more knowledge than you.


We've talked about Slayer.

That's it. Again: What do you base the previous "Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that." on?

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Yes, but the true definition of what thrash metal is wasn't formed when they were doing covers, was it? Because thrash metal wasn't born from covers.
Of course it was. Like a said, those bands played those covers from those two genres and they ended up fusing them

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Thrash metal was born when the people who aspired to do something different started recording their own songs in their own styles. Hence their albums, aka what Cine was referring to.[quote]Which is naturally the second step in the progression. If they don't play those covers from those 2 very different genres, they don't become fused into what will become thrash.



[quote]Yes.

Where does this disprove what I've said?

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You said thrash wasn't formed in their garages, metallica for one is notorious for being a "garage" band.

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Of course it was. Like a said, those bands played those covers from those two genres and they ended up fusing them


....on their albums. With their own songs. Which is, as I just said, when true thrash metal was born. It wasn't "born" until then, it may have been conceived, but not "born" because it wasn't an independant genre or sound yet.

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You said thrash wasn't formed in their garages, metallica for one is notorious for being a "garage" band.


Read what I said.

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You're the only one saying it, so what does that tell us?
It tells us you are too daft to recognize how your posts can be summarized like that.


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We've talked about Slayer.

That's it.
And thrash. And guitar playing ability.....
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Again: What do you base the previous "Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that." on?

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Again, because I have displayed more knowledge in the posts than you.

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It tells us you are too daft to recognize how your posts can be summarized like that.


No, it tells us that you're dumb enough to say it, despite saying I am. Moving on...

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And thrash. And guitar playing ability.....


Yes, so why does that show that: "Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that." What are you basing that on? Let's see:

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Again, because I have displayed more knowledge in the posts than you.


I'm still waiting for your reasoning behind claiming that you know more bands than I do, despite us only ever discussing one band and one "genre".

Here's what you said: "Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that."

How could you possibly believe you are aware of the extent of my knowledge considering the one subject overall that we've discussed?

Waiting.

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....on their albums. With their own songs. Which is, as I just said, when true thrash metal was born. It wasn't "born" until then, it may have been conceived, but not "born" because it wasn't an independant genre or sound yet.
Metallica started in 1981 and recorded various covers and demos of original meterial. Their first live show was on march 27, 1982. They played 6 songs, 3 originals and 3 covers. Their first album wouldn'r be released for another full year



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Read what I said.

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Read what I said wink

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Metallica started in 1981 and recorded various covers and demos of original meterial. Their first live show was on march 27, 1982. They played 6 songs, 3 originals and 3 covers. Their first album wouldn'r be released for another full year


Exactly. Which songs were the thrash metal ones? The original ones, weren't they? Wanna tell the audience what songs they play? Originals? I'm sure we both know.

Better yet? What was the first ORIGINAL song Metallica ever wrote and recorded? Hit the Lights? Yes.

Where did that end up? Oh yeah, on Kill 'Em All. Their debut ALBUM.

Step away.

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No, it tells us that you're dumb enough to say it, despite saying I am. Moving on...
No it tells us you're too stupid to realize that it sums up your posts and your
"elite" attitude perfectly. Moving on.....


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Yes, so why does that show that: "Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that." What are you basing that on? Let's see:



I'm still waiting for your reasoning behind claiming that you know more bands than I do, despite us only ever discussing one band and one "genre".
The posts speak for themselves. I'm posting about the history of the genre, what happened in the early 80's and how it all started. You're posting what you [b]think
had to happen.

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Here's what you said: "Just because I have forgotten more about metal music/bands than you will ever know is no reason to embarrass yourself like that."

How could you possibly believe you are aware of the extent of my knowledge considering the one subject overall that we've discussed?

Waiting.
Because you have yet to post anything that would let anyone know you have any knowledge greater than what you read on the internet. I am still waiting for YOU to display said knowledge rather than resort to your tried and true tactic of changing the aargument.

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No it tells us you're too stupid to realize that it sums up your posts and your
"elite" attitude perfectly.


Would you say it's akin to the attitude of the fictional character Alan Partridge?


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No it tells us you're too stupid to realize that it sums up your posts and your
"elite" attitude perfectly. Moving on.....


The issue was that stupid internet slang line that you associated with me. You're the only one saying it.

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The posts speak for themselves. I'm posting about the history of the genre, what happened in the early 80's and how it all started. You're posting what you think had to happen.


Considering we're about to see me prove you blindingly wrong, when you reply to my other post, you're wrong there also.

How does this show that you know more bands than me though? It doesn't.

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Because you have yet to post anything that would let anyone know you have any knowledge greater than what you read on the internet. I am still waiting for YOU to display said knowledge rather than resort to your tried and true tactic of changing the aargument.


Why would I start showing off knowledge of all the bands I know in a thread discussing Slayer and thrash metal? That's what idiots do. Me? I like to stay on topic.

If you'd like to believe I read what I know on the net, to make yourself feel better, go for it. You're wrong and you've been "spanked."

Next time, reply all at once, let's not have two different discussions in one thread.

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Exactly. Which songs were the thrash metal ones? The original ones, weren't they? Wanna tell the audience what songs they play? Originals? I'm sure we both know.

Better yet? What was the first ORIGINAL song Metallica ever wrote and recorded? Hit the Lights? Yes.

Where did that end up? Oh yeah, on Kill 'Em All. Their debut ALBUM.

Step away.

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Good lord, you really are clueless. It's ok, I understand. Ok, do you even know what their setlist was? Do you know how similar in style hit the lights is to a song called "set the stage alight" by a band called weapon? Seriously, download it if you can find it. Hit the lights can damn near be called a cover of that song, and hit the lights is considered to be the first "true thrash" song, so with them being almost identical, what does THAT tell us?

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