if I post a pic of my spidey boxers can we all just hug and make up here..?
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hmmmm interesting...............fine I will agree only if we see these so called spidey boxers because as you all know they give spidersense which makes you untouchable
God you are a retard. Pointing out how much of a dumbass you are tires me out more than wrestling practice used to.
1) WTF, who said Wolverine's senses were better than both Spidey and DD? Sure as shit wasn't me. I have only ever said that Wolverine's sense of smell was better than DD's was you great doofus.
2) Yeah one of the easiest ways to make an animal lose your scent is to take to water. How the hell do you not know that???
3)It's Creed knowing the limitations of a sense of smell and taking advantage of them and ambushing someone from BEHIND.
Your stupidity knows no boundaries. I love re-explaining shit to you over and over.
1) This was early Wolverine HF which was SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than current (I heal from skeleton) HF.
2) I can have it both ways because his HF has gotten exponentially stronger as time goes on you bafoon.
3) Wolverine didn't lose the Morlock tunnel fight dumbass. He entered that fight with his original HF which was much weaker than today's HF, he had just gone through a fight with the other Marauders (injuring himself further, and he is STATED to be very weak because of the fight he had just had with Deathstrike. Read a comic moron, instead od commenting on shit you are obviously ignorant of.
No, he was not helped. In Power Pack # 27 Wolverine isn't even fighting Sabretooth.
And in the other comic Power Pack jumped Sabretooth without Wolverine asking them to or needing them to. It's also not in continuity so it's not open to debate.
It is stated in the comic you ass. Wolverine admits he was a fighter that won using brawling tactics. "I fought with no real skill back in those days." At this point Wolverine probably had less fighting SKILL than Sabretooth. Today it is the opposite. Wolverine has an advantage over Creed in fighting skill.
Having an advantage in a fight does not mean you have it won. Lots of people have had advantages against Wolverine. That in no way means he was beaten in those fights. Wolverine is constantly portrayed as the underdog. He takes a beating and then gets pissed and wipes his ass with chumps like Thing.
Why wouldn't I? Sabretooth has had upgrades. Weapon X gave him upgrades. Wolverine has never been upgraded save for adamantium. His only upgrades are a healing factor that gets progressively stronger. Wolverine didn't know Creed had been upgraded and was obviously suprised at the changes, which is why Creed gained the advantage.
What the hell are you babbling about? Wolverine had just fought Deathstrike back during Uncanny # 212-213 and was weak and still stalemated Creed. In Wolverine # 50 he hasn't just got done fighting anyone. Creed ripped his spine out and Logan heals instantly. WTF are you on? Those 2 fights have nothing in common.
Deeeeeeeeer, Creed has Logan's enhanced senses and he is faster and more agile. Having the senses he knows how to exploit them (losing his scent by hiding in the water/attacking from downwind) and because he is that fast he is good at attacking Logan from behind before he knows what's going on (which he does most of their fights.) If a UFC match starts off with one guy railing some unsuspecting dude in the back of the head while he's talking to his manager before the fight that is obviously one guy taking unfair advantage of another.
How is that any different from all the times Logan has beaten Creed and left him for dead? It's not.
Then why didn't Creed do something about it when Wolverine blatantly challenged him? Creed doesn't give a shit if he gets banned from a strip club. He backed down because he obviously didn't think he'd beat him.
Yes he has. Many times he beats Creed far quicker and much worse than Creed beats him.
Wolverine rarely ever has any advantage over Creed in fights. Usually it is either a straight up fight or Creed ambushes him. And You are the one saying Creed has all the off panel victories, so why would you change your story to Wolverine usually wins of panel? Their fight records are basically EVEN.
Please deny that Wolverine was hurt during the Massacre fights. PLEASE! You know (or at least you really should) that Wolverine was VERY weak during those fights. Rogue and Colossus make a point of saying in # 211 that "there's something very wrong with Wolverine. He has recovered from worse injuries far quicker than he is now." Badly injured and still healing as he was he then went up against the marauders where he was impaled by harpoon, and then beat Creed and then stalemated him after that in a very long fight. Injured Wolverine proved equal to a healthy Sabretooth. There have been very few occassions I can remember that Sabretooth was ever injured before a fight with Wolverine and non of them were ever nearly as bad as what Wolverine was dealing with. Wolverine has been in terrible shape 3 times in his life:
1) After Deathstrike.
2) After the Reavers.
3) After skeleton rip.
Sabretooth would have had more experience than Wolverine at that time, he was faster, stronger, he had claws, and he did have a healing factor. Wolverine # 10 was written by Chris Claremont in 1989. In Uncanny # 213 ( written 3 years earlier in 1986 also by Claremont) Claremont gave Creed a retcon healing factor. So Creed would have had it in that fight. Claremont wouldn't have botched continuity again. That is rediculous.
Oh stop BSing me. That comic was written in the 1990's and by then Sabretooth had a respectable healing factor no matter when the story takes place. Unless you think the writer would purposely draw attention to the fact that Sabretooth's power/continuity is messed up. You think they retconned a retcon for one issue simply because it took place before the Power Man/Spidey crap?!? Again that is rediculous. Really seems like you're grasping at straws.
Ah hem,
On page 6 of the story Sabretooth slashes at Wolverine's chest. In the present Wolverine grabs his chest (right where Creed hit him) and mentions that the memory hurts worse than the original wounds. I sincerely doubt Creed used the tips of his fingers to create a wound on Wolverine's chest that he'd remember 50 years later. Creed obviously has claws in that fight and his open hand flail at Wolverine's chest caused a bad wound. A wound that could have only been made if he'd used claws. The fact that it's not a very detailed picture means nothing.
There is no sound effect, blood splatter, or any physically noticeable contact in the "whiff" swing from Creed. I see no reason why you would think he hit him.
Only 3 thoughts come to mind.
1) Creed was swinging down from a height at crouching Logan and when he dodged Creed's claws sunk into the floor.
2) The "floor panel" takes place after Wolverine impales Creed and he grabs the floor in an attempt to keep Wolverine from lifting him above his head.
3) You are grasping at straws in an attempt to take a legitimate curbstomp victory away from Logan.
Wolverine was not even there when Power Pack fought Sabretooth so how the hell could they be helping him? I just read the comic again. They pin him under a collapsed cieling for a moment and run away in fear while he shakes his fist at them in anger. Wolverine runs past them later looking all messed up (from his fight with the other marauders) and then you hear Sabretooth roar and someone screams. (probably when he grabbed the Morlock healer) Wolverine runs off in the direction of the scream. No helping.
Yeah, only problem his primary strike was a CHEAP SHOT. If Wolverine was the one hiding he could have easily done the same. Wolverine then uses his head to incapacitate Creed.
Wolverine not using his claws against Creed is not doing his best to put him down and thus in my mind is obviously holding back. He seemed to be fighting to contain, not fighting to win. Not using claws = holding back. Considering Creed's strength and speed advantages and the fact that he was using his claws Wolverine was fighting evenly with Creed under handicap until he got punched in the balls. After that he is still obviously holding back as he refuses to use his claws on Creed again and stands there, letting Creed slash him without defending himself. That is certaily a whole lot stranger than your whole (Creed's claws hit the ground?) argument. Wolverine didn't get serious until Creed started threatening people. Then we saw how quickly the tables turned.
Other than singed and smoking hair Creed did not seem to be in much pain at all. He broke through a forcefield built to stop a charging elephant, not kill a charging elephant. He even says it felt almost as good as the glow. And the glow wasn't exactly a painful thing. It cured him of his homicidal urges, it didn't hurt him.
Wolverine could have popped the claw through his head whenever he wanted. Again he was holding back. Instead of hitting Creed again after he smashed his head into the wall he sits there and argues with him instead. That fight ended when Wolverine launched Creed into the wall. Wolverine never hit him after that (even though he had a huge opening) and Creed never tried to get away or fight back because either he was too hurt to or he knew Wolverine wan't going to hit him again.
No Creed's healing factor was also obviously boosted. When Wolverine had the metal (which weakened his HF) he still had a stronger HF than an uninhibited Creed. So obviously Wolverine's healing power is stronger in general at baseline. Then Wolverine (who's HF had just increased) took on adamantium Creed and his HF was faster than increased uninhibited Wolverine's HF. Creed unaugmented with adamantium should have had an even weaker HF than original metal wolvy, but instead his HF was faster than Wolverine's true (no metal compensation)healing rate. This is impossible unless he was augmented. It's not stated, but it's obvious it was pumped up.
Creed was getting shot at by one gun. Wolverine was getting shot at by a small army of guys with guns. Wolverine was taking more damage. Maverick aint all that either. He admitted back in the day that he stood no chance against Wolverine in a fair fight. Same should hold true for Creed, especially a boosted and adamantium Creed. Wolverine is also recovering from adamantium poisoning, and Mauvais' attack in prison. Missing eye as well. Creed was in better shape. He had dealt with less.
So Creed knew that Wolverine wasn't sure if he could win??? What the hell does that prove? Mentally they are still unsure of who will win.
How is that any different than Wolverine impaling Creed up above his head and then slamming him into the ground in rapid succession earlier in the fight?
Shiver Man took over the fight. Nowhere does it say, "Man he just saved my ass." Wolverine was getting hit yes, but he was not beaten. Wolverine had to help Beast who was injured. Apparantly saving an injured friend from the clutches of Weapon X was more important than figuring out who really would have won.
Wolverine delivered the last blow we saw and Sabretooth is all bandaged up later. I personally think the fight was interupted by Havok exploding with Wolverine in the advantage, but it still portrayed Wolverine easily hanging with post Weapon X powerup/metal Creed. Creed may have momentary advantages in # 126 and #166, but it's due to suprise upgrades both times. When Wolverine is ready for what Creed has he seems to be able to beat him. He just has to adjust to Creed's new upgrades.
We know Creed was done the second time. He ripped him to pieces. Yes Creed was still healing from Northstar's attack, but as powerful as Creed's HF was at this point he was probably not hurting very badly. Getting ripped so badly your pieces cant even be seen lying around is a horrible ass-kicking, far worse and more brutal than any beating Creed's ever given Wolverine.
Yeah, but I can prove Wolverine won above off panel fight because the results of theat fight are stated on panel. All of W and S yearly off panel fights have no info, no winner, and no details.
and again issue 50: wolverine's clearly losing the fight, sabretooth again has his ass dead to rights the only reason wolverine's on his feet as you put it is because creed literally lets him go.[/B][/QUOTE]How is Wolverine losing the fight? He is beating the crab out of Creed. Fight ends in a double KO anyway.
By a landslide.
obviously if yer talking no HF. Does not include post 1986 flashback fights.
No way. Wolverine takes this. Just look at the fights:
1) skill/smarts victory via cieling collapse. Creed helpless. (Wolvy weak)
2) stalemating and Creed runs. (Wolvy weak)
3) powerless and still gets a one shot victory.
4) one shot victory again.
5) then there are a lot of stalemates that always get interupted.
Never fought in this era to my knowledge. This is still Marauder Creed to me. He's no different. No deabting points. Still Wolverine.
Only via suprise in initial fight. Rematch was stomp victory for Logan. Even or slight edge still to Wolverine because of skill.
Slight edge to Creed only in initial fight due to upgrades. Once Wolverine is healthy and aware of upgrades he gets hard earned stalemate.
Actually now Wolverine is stated as having been the victor of the very first fight between the two. The fight in Canada was revenge for an earlier defeat Sabretooth took from Wolverine in Japan many years before:
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huray for retcons...
well considering I'm a wolverine fan you're not telling me anything I didn't already know...
good thing sabretooth didn't have a blade..
Yeah i know.. he probably wouldn't know how to use it anyway.
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Jinzin, Roost or Cap...you guys wouldn't happen to have any scans of Wolverine punking Storm ...would you? Thanks
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punking? no.. the best I got is wolverine clawing his way through everything storm can muster in her hurricane winds before she finally decides to give up and see what happens..
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
my guess is that during HOM when wanda was switching up powers and histories and whatnot that while the histories weren't canon the power switches stuck...
this is why wolverine's brain isn't healed over like it was before.. I mean unless he can "unheal" then he shouldn't be able to remember squat but he does...
the only other explanation is that the "CHILDREN" took it out of creed and that partially explains his fear of them and why his healing factor was reduced by 90% when he found sancuary at the x-mansion..
but those are only theories.
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
seriously.. i hate when marvel just.. forgets about their own continuity..
does creed have admantium? does he not?
it's like it changes every year without reason..
same thing with silver samurai.. he was supposed to be dead and all the sudden he shows up in origins and endings? WTF?
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I don't know if this has been dealt with yet. But in their first fight it was stated that Creed was faster and stronger of the two. Stronger I can see but faster?
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