1: at the beginning of the footage....it doesn't...it's clear as the nose of your face that the plane doesn't appear from the left hand side of the screen to the left of the building...
2: the dot on the bottom left is the piece of narrated footage with the "9" in the bottom corner
absolute rubbish...the video runs for 13 seconds before the plane appears and it is clearly visible...logic dictates that if its travelling in a straight line and you can easily see it as it emerges from behind the building...then you'd see it as it went behind the building....you cant...which means its turning out of view behind the building
what do you mean when does it turn?...cause if you're implying it doesn't turn then it would have impacted at a completely different position on the tower and at a completely different angle from which it did...hence it had to turn...
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Alright, I'm going to pose a question here: New york is filled with hundreds of thousands of people. If there were no planes hitting the towers where are the outcrys of the people who witnessed the attack. There had to be many people who were looking at the towers at the time. It's a national landmark, and there would have been tourists taking pictures of it, videotapeing it, and everything. Where are their accounts of this tragedy?
Also: If you look at the explosion it is an enourmous fireball which engulfs several stories of the building. To create that kind of an explosion it would take either a bomb with atleast half the force of a Nuke or Hundreds of smaller bombs. Both of which would be nearly impossible to conceal, and when people found even one bomb they would have scattered.
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Let's just get this straight, I already agree that it did not appear from the left hand side in the Al Qaida shot. It turned and appeared, this was pointed to me earlier. The arrow simply indicates where the plane is IMO. If you disagree, that's fine and all. But, I don't see how that's foul play. Besides there is nothing that indicates that Genghis6199 [developer of the Video] did it to mislead
No, I'm asking for the vantage point for this:
Or the video is fake, now once again tell me when it turns.
Here we go, the difference is only 6 degree's yet we know the plane in the dive bomber shot never crosses across the North Tower based upon the approach.
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My mistake, I mean't the CBS divebomber never passes the North Tower at the same altitude as the CBS replay. Because the plane in the replay goes underneath the North Towers impact zone before it vanishes behind the building while the CBS dive bomber approaches the building well above the impact zone and only dives when it gets near the South Tower.
For the shots to be the same, we would have to see the plane from the space between the two towers in the dive bomber shot. We definetly do not, it's a fake.
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the implication of the video is that the plane is flying in a straight line toward the towers...surely you understand that if you can clearly see the plane coming out from behind the building...then if it was flying in a straight line the towers should thus be the same distance from the camera as it goes behind the building and thus you should be able to see it..you dont see it...hence it didn't come from the left hand side of the screen as the arrow tries to imply...hence it was turning
not to mention the size difference of the plane as it emerges from behind the building...compared to when it hits the WTC..it gets bigger...meaning it is coming toward the camera...meaning its turning
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Nah, the shots are taken from slightly different angles and your not getting it. The plane is much higher in the "Dive Bomber" shot upon impact versus the replay where it's well below the impact zone as it passes behind the building. Why doesn't the "Dive Bomber" show the plane passing by the gap between buildings and why is it so high?
Also, where is the vantage point for the Tecmac/PBS shot, jaden?
Did you come to a thread about a conspiracy theory just to make fun of the guy airing his beliefs? That's pretty intolerant and antagonistic, my man.
To each his own, though.
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It's debatable until we've finished, mane. Once again, I don't know what the purpose of fake videos are, but the videos are fake. Maybe if I study these fake videos or the people who endorse them I can find something solid.
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Or, maybe you are so determined to belive that they are fake you refuse to see the facts that have been presented to you.
The difference is clearly more than 6 degrees. Also, you are thinking in 2 dimentions, wheras the world is in 3 dimentions. The CBS replay camera is further back than the divebomber which adds to the diference in the view that the camera sees. Furthermore, the view in the dive bomber is a section of the turn, wheras the view in the replay is during the further out "Streight line".
Now, it is already obvious that you will not accept this so I shall step out of this debate.
However, before I take my leave I will pose you with one final question: Who is truly being cynical in this debate? The one who believes that the government in power (Or atleast this one) has the best intrests in mind, or the one who believes that they are "purposefully causing western civilization to have a lower quality of living than we can."
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