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EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament Round (4-1): Psycho Gundam vs Symmetric Chaos
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Starscream M
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
T-vo and BrainFrying can be done at tremendous distance and involve no physical objects.
how does T-vo or brainfrying get past Juggy's mystical forcefield? in evidence, it seemed only attacks of magical nature would have any effect on Juggy's forcefield.


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
he can't steal them because the (mystical) energy that imbues juggernaut with his powers is always bombarding him, just like superman's. and just like superman's, juggernaut's shield doesn't take time to come firth since it is comes from within and as on panel, the juggernaut's is not a bubble its rather a energy that emanates from his body.

plus the power gem makes him even more invulnerable, even if he didn't have the power of cyttorak coursing through him, he would still be invulnerable.
so where is he keeping these gems? (you prob discussed already but Im too lazy to search through the posts)


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psycho gundam
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this "brain fry" is not going to do squat, it's just as useful as heat vision isn't on the juggernaut.


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Symmetric Chaos
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Originally posted by Master-Borg
how does T-vo or brainfrying get past Juggy's mystical forcefield? in evidence, it seemed only attacks of magical nature would have any effect on Juggy's forcefield.


They aren't moving. Neither attack has to pass through anything.

T-vo is psychic mindrape/illusions to drive him nuts. BrainFry is simple control of KE. Nothing has to pass through the field. It is totally irrelevant to both powers.


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Old Post Apr 15th, 2008 08:45 PM
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yeah, like it's going to pass through the field, nothing can.
plus he is wearing the helmet and skullcap, try again.


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Symmetric Chaos
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Originally posted by psycho gundam
yeah, like it's going to pass through the field, nothing can.
plus he is wearing the helmet and skullcap, try again.


Those will be taken off in the initial blitz as explain and neither would protect him from BrainFry.


Anyway let's leave this up the the judges shall we?


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well, the constant insinuation of this rare brain fry tactic can't be left to the judges, it won't touch juggy nor will the speedblitz. and again, you posses 0% mystical power or telepathic so the attack can't even do anything.

and on top of that the juggernaut needs not organs to function or flesh to move as displayed with his fight with the arch demon d'spayre.

if superman/flash is as adept with magic as he is, or as classic thor is, you might have a shot at stopping the forcefield then hurting his flesh in any way.


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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If it does get up beforehand Pete (being a tactician) will back off and use perfectly targeted T-vo or Flash's ability to fry his opponent's brain.


If you don't mind me asking, how would you describe T-VO? Has it bypassed telepathic defenses and psi dampeners before?


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Symmetric Chaos
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Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, the constant insinuation of this rare brain fry tactic can't be left to the judges


To those judging. That is what he thinks of you. Despite your position he doesn't believe you should be allowed to vote of your own accord.

A vote for SymChaos is a vote for freedom.

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If you don't mind me asking, how would you describe T-VO? Has it bypassed telepathic defenses and psi dampeners before?


Kryptonian super-hypnosis/psi-power. It has managed to affect the Eradicator before.




Anyway since we're going in circles here I'll sum up my points for everyone:
Cain simply won't use the SpaceGem it goes against his nature
Cain will not use his forcefield as he hardly ever does so
Cain cannot bring the forcefield up fast enough to stop a blitz even if we assumed that he would do it
Cain has no way of hitting Pete
Cain has no defense against a brain fry in any way shape or form (I would like to point out that it is essentially phasing which has effected Juggy in the past)
Cain has no defense again T-vo
Cain is infinitely slower than Pete. He's not as smart. He has fewer powers. He has no time to come up with a real plan. He has no level of skill.

Then again maybe reality will unravel and Pete could just explode the moment the fight begins. Thats the only possible way for Juggy to win this fight.

Vote SymChaos.

Vote freedom!


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thats crap.

vote psycho gundam for logic and what the characters are at the end of the day-

-superman/flash is fast but thats not going to prevent the ever present mystical energies to reach the juggernaut, after all he is not the hulk he requires no power up time.

-he possesses the powergem so he is infinitely imbued with invulnerability that further negates the "brain fry" that still can't penetrate his force field, helmet, skullcap, then invulnerable body(superman has no magic).

-juggernaut knows spells so saying he is not intelligent is a lie, his intelligence is noted as normal. just because he seldom uses spells doesn't reduce his faculties to wield power object, and especially those that only require one's subconscious.

-superman/flash can't outlast juggernaut in any way shape or form.
that's why sim is reaching for a rare tactic that is dubious and entirely futile at best.

-classic thor could not do away with juggernaut, and he has magic up the yin yang.the best superman can hope to do is get rid of the juggernaut and unfortunately for sim, he is not capable of even that in this battle for two obvious reasons.


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I vote for Psycho Gundam. I think that the brain fry is stupid and won't work since the force fields nullify KE, that Juggernaut can use the gems fairly well given his magic knowledge that took on Nightmare, and in an earlier match I remember Psycho posted a scan of Juggernaut "radiating energy" so that WILL work. T-Vo won't work because of the helmet. And getting your greatest wish>>>Arrogance in terms of motivation, so that forcefields going to be up. SC seemed to be relying way to much on the idea that Juggernaut simply won't use his advanced powers and given the motivation I can't see it happening.


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Typhus
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Voting for Psycho Gundam.

Symmetric Chaos, other than a dubious t-vo ability, has not displayed any argument to convince me that he could beat Psycho Gundam. Also, buying knowledge of opposition level 2 does not give him the necessary information to counter the infinity gems at all. He would need at least knowledge of opposition level 3.


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Voting SC

Jugs can't match Pete's speed

and T-VO has worked on people who have much better TP defenses than Cain


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Voting for SC...

He holds nigh every advantage in this fight, and when push comes to shove, Juggernaut ALWAYS goes for up close fights. A few out of character showings that contradict an entire history aren't great arguments to the contrary. And, more likely than not, Pete WOULD be able to grab the gems and WOULD be able to attack Juggernaut's brain. And Pete's smart enough to have formed thousands of attack plans before Juggernaut can process that the battle has started.

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but juggernaut's defenses are absolute, and superman/flash lacks the magic or telepathy to overcome them....how is he supposed to get past them?


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
but juggernaut's defenses are absolute, and superman/flash lacks the magic or telepathy to overcome them....how is he supposed to get past them?
I've seen a lot of things affect the Juggernaut that weren't magic or telepathy... I don't see why that's so important. Especially when there's been little to no counter to the T-Vo argument.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
but juggernaut's defenses are absolute, and superman/flash lacks the magic or telepathy to overcome them....how is he supposed to get past them?


Correct me if I am wrong here Symmetric Chaos.

From what I gather, "T-VO" is telepathy. He will wait until Juggernaut gets into close combat with Superman, then remove your helmet/skullcap, and attack you with "T-VO."

Voter analysis:
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1. King Kandy and Typhus place little emphasis on "T-VO." Typhus calls it a rarely used ability.

2. Zeitgeist and Devil Lance place more faith in "T-VO" and Superman removing your Helmet/Skullcap.

3. Masterborg on the other hand, voted based on Superman taking away the gems and using them against Juggernaut. However, he did ask you where your gems are located on Juggernaut. But you did not respond yet to his question

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Originally posted by Master-Borg
so where is he keeping these gems? (you prob discussed already but Im too lazy to search through the posts)


I'm guessing Masterborg, may or may not sway his vote on how you respond to his question and the closing arguements.


I will end this match 6:45. A full extra hour making it 25 hours total for the match.

-Evangel94


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i'm pretty sure the power gem's empowerment can further negate even the most absent minded writer's bad writing.


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15 minute warning. Please place votes now if you haven't already.


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Votes for Symmetric Chaos: 3
Master-borg
Devil Lance
Zeitgeist

Votes for Psycho Gundam: 2
King Kandy
Typhus

I am declaring this match over with a 3 to 2 vote in favor of Symmetric Chaos. Symmetric Chaos returns to the main tournament.

Don't worry Psycho Gundam. You will have a 2nd chance to return in the 2nd Last Chance Finale. Check main tournament thread in a few minutes for more information.

-Evangel94


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