That's not a relevant argument; external popularity has no bearing on hiow successful it would be as a forum here. We just had this discussion re: Doctor Who and we've seen the logic fail with Lost.
Bardock- there is an important principle that only forums that will have worthwhile use are allowed else the front page will quickly fill with garbage. There has to be some reasonable criteria of use.
And for sure- it will not be as popular as Potter, POTC and Star Wars. We've seen not even a fraction of a demand as there was for the first two and the last is the heart of the site.
The new film is not out until '09. That's a notable way off. I advise waiting to see if a buzz for it grows.
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I own all the series on dvd as well as the movies. Star Trek is such an enjoyable series and I'd be happy talk with anyone and everyone about it. Fans and non fans
Really? A new movie, constant conventions, 40 years of television shows, we have a Star Wars thread, but a movie hasn't been made in 3 years. Yeah your logic is about as fool proof as spawing unwanted life...*ahem*
Probably because having an entire forums worth of content condensed into one obscure, disorganized, alienating thread is both a poor measure of the popularity of a subject and completely misses the mark of a forum's ability to spread out, and pander to the specific wants rather than random, uncontrolled conversation.
Maybe that you're involved with. But need I remind you how you took a stance against one of the more popular forums in the past? It's popularity was so high it spilled over into the creation of other forums rather than the destruction you'd hoped for?
So apparently you have no real concept of what's popular. I'm guessing that since you are obviously unfamiliar with this fandom's popularity you'd be unfamiliar with the popularity of slightly more obscure fandoms such as transformers and that its'd surprise you to know how strong the fandom is, and how many differet other message board sites are dedicated to this forum.
Also Peach? You have this nasty habit of attaching yourself to names that I like with slight variations. And no I'm not very fond of you based on my encounters with you in the past and from the horror stories I've heard about you.
So what I want to know is why do you want to deprive this site of potentially more varied discussion, potentially drawing in more members?
More traffic means more ads being seen that I'm guessing are their to help support the site. Since you Don't want the possability for that extra traffic, you're denying the site potentially more support and thus more money that doesn't have to come from Raz's pocket?
Why do you unintentionally and ignorantly want Raz to pay more in that fashion.
Yes, yes I'm well aware of bandwith and the like, but I've hosted a site before personally the extra traffic was welcome ads it meant more people to see the adds... Heck, I was 17 in the positive from this sort of thing.
So why don't you want it arround? You doubt its popularity because you personally haven't seen much discussion of Star Trek?
I believe a Star Trek Forum is completely viable. The fan base is comparable to just about every other franchise which has a forum on this site, and it's creation will likely lure more fans of the franchise to the site as word spreads of it's existence. We have a James Bond Forum, a Smallville Forum, an Indiana Jones Forum, and a Terminator Forum. There's no logical reason that a franchise that is as popular if not more so than all of these does not deserve it's own forum other than personal bias against the narrative.
What the hell are you even babbling about? I've never said anything against creating any forums that went on to become popular. Nor do I have any idea where this 'name' thing of yours came from considering the only other name I've used on KMC while you've been a member was my actual real-life nickname
And I don't really see why people think popularity = interest. Yes, Star Trek is very popular. There's no denying that. But, what interest has been shown for it on KMC? How much discussion about is has there been on THIS forum? How many movies and TV shows and etc. is completely irrelevant. Transformers is incredibly popular but how active is that forum here on KMC? People begged for a Terminator forum but look at how that turned out. A dozen times people have asked for a Doctor Who forum - immensely popular show, massive fandom...but almost no discussion on here, and what there is is generally between about a half-dozen of us. People begged for a LOST forum but that failed very quickly.
I'm not saying a Star Trek forum would inherently be a failure. I'm just saying you cannot judge the success by how popular it is in other places and how big other forums about it are and how much discussion there is elsewhere - what matters is now much discussion there is HERE. And I won't say 'yes' because I know I personally would not post in it ever, and so far with every new forum created, the majority of the people who vote yes for the creation never post in there.
Not creation, but destruction. then after this another one of the same type was indeed created.
How does that invalidate what I said?
Gee.. So people are interested in things that aren't popular? OR are you more trying to equate KMC to an elitest clique?
So lack of knowledge of the existence of something is tatamount to people not being interested?
Then why compare it to such? I see nothing that you stand to gain from a denial of the very tance that you just tried to affirm.
So because there are people whom exist that are interested in the discussion, due to them being unaware of the existence here means that there is no one that would be willing to come here to discuss it?
Nor would I expect you to, butsurely you're not going to vote against something simply because you yourself wouldn't use it would you?
That ounds incredibly selfish don't you think?
"I wouldn't use it, therefore it shouldn't exist."
So you're going back on your denial of your affirmation of this particular position?
Um, I still have no idea what you're talking about. I've never said anything about the destruction of any forums, either. There are forums I dislike, yes, but that doesn't mean I want them to go away
And I never said I invalidated anything you said, but that what you said makes no ****ing sense.
And really, I have no idea what you are babbling about, anyway. I never said KMC was an elitist clique. What I am trying to get across is that just because something is popular does not necessarily mean there will be enough interest here on this specific corner of the internet to keep a forum HERE going. We have sections here that are immensely popular and that you can find tons of discussion about on other forums but do not do so well here. Just as we have sections here that are huge that don't do well on other forums. It's simply a quirk as to how the internet can work.
And in all honesty, I'd think that if people were interested in discussing something, they'd be seeking out forums/threads to discuss it in. Such threads ARE available on KMC, but as has been pointed out by other people in here already, they are not terribly active threads.
I am wondering where you got "I wouldn't use it so it shouldn't exist" from anything I've said. It really is a fact that most people who vote for the creation of a forum - people who DO say they are interested - then go on to never post in there. It's been seen on here a number of times. Thus someone like me, who isn't interested, saying yes would be simply nothing but false support. I won't say no - but I won't say yes either.
I honestly have no idea why you're jumping all over me for expressing an opinion based on something I've seen happen many times on here. If people want to discuss Star Trek then go for it. It doesn't bother me. I'm just extending a...cautious warning, I suppose, based on how things have gone down on KMC in the past (multiple times) and how "popularity amongst the entire fanbase" doesn't always equate to "huge amount of interest in discussion on KMC".
I wonder what bias that could be because, unless my memory has completely and totally fried, Ush does like Star Trek.
Dude, I think you're missing an important point here. Peach isn't saying that a Star Trek forum would be BAD. She's not AGAINST it. She's saying that based on previous evidence, it's not a sure thing that such a forum would do well here, specifically, on KMC.
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You totally don't recall when you were supporting the notion of getting rid of the versus forums?
Captain Obvious: IT doesn't make sense when you don't understand what the person is saying.
You invalidated one of YOUR arguments when you tried to show evidence that invalidated another one of YOUR arguments.
"I'm not trying to say that it would instantly fail like all the other ones that have instantly failed, but all the other times a new forum was begged for it instantly failed."
Because popular things aren't interesting...
Got proof of this last part? You know the whole concept of KMC having exclusive forums?
Riiight... You related to Al Gore?
AS SMurph already said, a single thread might become complicated to try and follow discussion in when anything you want to say about a topic with a vast array of subjects is all crammed into one.
"Oh the other day I was talking about phaser modulation, now I have to sift through pages of tribble talk to find it"
And you claim to know how the internet works.
THREADS... These people obviously know how the internet works. Obfuscation of ability to discuss things related to a fandom really does wonders to sustain interest in the THREAD... or you know not, people don't like being confused.
Your arguing against the idea coupled with statments about how you wouldn't use it OBVIOUSLY...
And you're arguing against it and one of your arguments is that you personally would not use it.
But you will argue against it, and you'll try and stem support for the idea... that's tatamount to saying no without saying the word no itself.
"Its a bad idea"
"Don't say no."
"I didn't, I'm just sayuing its a bad idea."
So basically ... you're trolling again. trying to start fights with the supporters by attacking their ideas, but you're not ACTUALLY opposed to the idea, even though you're arguing with the supporters against it?
Trolls get attacked... its probably why they troll.
A rather vocal warning you mean.
So you attack the idea, argue with the supporters but aren't opposed to the idea?
Doesn't that sound fishy to you?
Uh huh... pull the other one. He clearly stated that its not worth while... but star wars apparently is...
Holy crap did I call that. I love it. Every single time I get called on that, it's hilarious because it's all that ever happens.
Wrong, try again. What I said is precisely what she was saying before you obfuscated everything. She even said she wasn't saying "No" to the idea, just that she wasn't saying "Yes", either. Based on previous experience, within KMC specifically, a Star Trek forum would not last.
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Holy crap did I call that. I love it. Every single time I get called on that, it's hilarious because it's all that ever happens.
