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Wasn't Michael Jackson one of the reptiles?


He looked more like a grey et

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I don't know what's more retarded. Thinking that an imaginary group of powerbrokers plotted the death of an over the hill entertainer who has been irrelevant for 20 years and who possesses a myriad psychiatric problems...or Deano's take on the freemasons.


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No offence but "extensive research" doesn't include simply going through repetetive and circular referencing conspiracy websites that never actually link to hard evidence but only to each other whereby they all repeat the same lie and use one another as proof of that lie.
I like how you group people who believe in "conspiracy's" (that some are in fact out there in circulated news but not broadcasted on a continuous loop on TV) into a group of people who make up facts. When i say extensive research i mean into actual government documents and historical facts. And please don't make me go into detail, you guys gotta find out for yourselves your brainwashed by the right-left political media. I imagine the Bilderburg meeting is a conspiracy theory even tho its in the news. I wonder if its a conspiracty that Tower 7 was never mentioned once (aside from a footnote) in the 9/11 commition report. I wonder if its a conspiracy that the federal reserve is not even federal and a private bank.


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I like how you group people who believe in "conspiracy's" (that some are in fact out there in circulated news but not broadcasted on a continuous loop on TV) into a group of people who make up facts.


That doesn't even make sense. Write it again.

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When i say extensive research i mean into actual government documents and historical facts. And please don't make me go into detail, you guys gotta find out for yourselves your brainwashed by the right-left political media.


No...You post it. You're the only 1 here throwing around accusations so the onus is on you to provide proof for your accusations so don't try and put it onto others. So...Provide me with government documents planning 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, the faked moon landings etc. Do this without referring to circular referencing conspiracy websites.



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I imagine the Bilderburg meeting is a conspiracy theory even tho its in the news.


Noone here is arguing that the meeting doesn't take place. In fact it's been public knowledge and the people who meet there have even posed for public photographs. The argument is against the idea that it's a bunch of evil satanists who secretly rule the world. Especially given the fact that the conspiracy theorists can't even agree which secret group of satan worshipping men rule the world. At last count it was the following

The Illuminati
The Bilderburg group
The trilateral commission
The Council on Foreign relations
The Freemasons
The New World Order
The Knights Templar
Nine unknown men
The Skull and Bones society
The United Nations
The Jews

Apparently all these groups all run the world. Despite the fact that when you look at examples of how they've tried to exert their power and failed miserably.

http://www.cracked.com/article_1746...rule-world.html

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I wonder if its a conspiracty that Tower 7 was never mentioned once (aside from a footnote) in the 9/11 commition report.


Popular misconception. Might want to actually do "extensive research" before making stupid claims.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/.../wtc082108.html

http://event.on24.com/eventRegistra...userid=26939269

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/..._qa_082108.html

The original on WTC 7 was 14 chapters long.

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCST...lic_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCST...lic_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCST...lic_comment.pdf

Not to mention NIST also made several videos of how WTC 7 fell, for those people like Parker who have short attention spans

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/...wtc_videos.html

The rest of the links to NIST documents (the ones you claim were only a footnote) are on the right next to the video.

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I wonder if its a conspiracy that the federal reserve is not even federal and a private bank.


You do realise the board of governers of the Federal Reserve and Presidentially appointed?

It's a conspiracy that a bank can be run like a private business? Only in the minds of idiot US conspiracy theorists is that a conspiracy. Yes...I said the US because there's something lacking in the mentally on US citizens that makes them believe shit like this is actually some kind of conspiracy. Noone in the UK or Europe makes out that it's a conspiracy that the Bank of England is a private bank but gets to set interest rates across the UK. Noone cares the the European central Bank is basically an offshoot of a private German bank.


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Why do people argue with jaden? First of all, he doesn't say things without first thinnking about what needs to be said. and second....he's scottish.

" Do this without referring to circular referencing conspiracy websites. " - by the way...that's pure gold.


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That doesn't even make sense. Write it again.



No...You post it. You're the only 1 here throwing around accusations so the onus is on you to provide proof for your accusations so don't try and put it onto others. So...Provide me with government documents planning 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, the faked moon landings etc. Do this without referring to circular referencing conspiracy websites.





Noone here is arguing that the meeting doesn't take place. In fact it's been public knowledge and the people who meet there have even posed for public photographs. The argument is against the idea that it's a bunch of evil satanists who secretly rule the world. Especially given the fact that the conspiracy theorists can't even agree which secret group of satan worshipping men rule the world. At last count it was the following

The Illuminati
The Bilderburg group
The trilateral commission
The Council on Foreign relations
The Freemasons
The New World Order
The Knights Templar
Nine unknown men
The Skull and Bones society
The United Nations
The Jews

Apparently all these groups all run the world. Despite the fact that when you look at examples of how they've tried to exert their power and failed miserably.

http://www.cracked.com/article_1746...rule-world.html



Popular misconception. Might want to actually do "extensive research" before making stupid claims.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/.../wtc082108.html

http://event.on24.com/eventRegistra...userid=26939269

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/..._qa_082108.html

The original on WTC 7 was 14 chapters long.

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCST...lic_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCST...lic_comment.pdf

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCST...lic_comment.pdf

Not to mention NIST also made several videos of how WTC 7 fell, for those people like Parker who have short attention spans

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/...wtc_videos.html

The rest of the links to NIST documents (the ones you claim were only a footnote) are on the right next to the video.



You do realise the board of governers of the Federal Reserve and Presidentially appointed?

It's a conspiracy that a bank can be run like a private business? Only in the minds of idiot US conspiracy theorists is that a conspiracy. Yes...I said the US because there's something lacking in the mentally on US citizens that makes them believe shit like this is actually some kind of conspiracy. Noone in the UK or Europe makes out that it's a conspiracy that the Bank of England is a private bank but gets to set interest rates across the UK. Noone cares the the European central Bank is basically an offshoot of a private German bank.
Very good, i will focus on tower 7 because that is what i am looking into now. I admit it, my bad on the 9/11 commition report. But as for their explaination, im going to continue researching it. In the NIST report they explain how there were no explosions reported by eyewitnesses they talked to, while there were multiple reports of explosions that i have saw by people in the building before the collapse. To me it just does not add up. The U.S. Federal Reserve basically runs the world. They print money upon money (X amount of Trillions for this fukin bailout) whithout having anything to back it up. If you like the federal reserve talk to the guy who signed our lives over to them: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence


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Very good, i will focus on tower 7 because that is what i am looking into now. I admit it, my bad on the 9/11 commition report. But as for their explaination, im going to continue researching it. In the NIST report they explain how there were no explosions reported by eyewitnesses they talked to, while there were multiple reports of explosions that i have saw by people in the building before the collapse.


Be honest...Where did you "see" these alleged witness reports? I too have seen both written and video statements from witnesses that make them look like they said there were explosives used but when you actually listen or read the full quote and/or see the whole interview then you realise that the quote was taken completely out of context and they actually meant that they heard explosions...You clearly aren't an idiot but explosions doesn't means explosives.

http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm

There's an example of how alleged quotes have been taken out of context or in some cases completely altered to make it seems as if the witnesses are suggesting it was controlled demolition

For example, I wrote a large part in the 9/11 thread on several reasons for reports of explosions from the WTC. One of which was the fact that the WTC had many electrical transformers which, when damaged by fire or other means can produce huge explosions. There was also the fact that several years before 9/11 one of those electrical transformers actually DID explode in the WTC and killed several people in the process.


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I don't know what's more retarded. Thinking that an imaginary group of powerbrokers plotted the death of an over the hill entertainer who has been irrelevant for 20 years and who possesses a myriad psychiatric problems...or Deano's take on the freemasons.


I suspect something completely different.

The Freemason club wanted him to do more concerts so he could pay back the money he owes them. The Doc was his handler, and obviously over drugged him to death.

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Be honest...Where did you "see" these alleged witness reports? I too have seen both written and video statements from witnesses that make them look like they said there were explosives used but when you actually listen or read the full quote and/or see the whole interview then you realise that the quote was taken completely out of context and they actually meant that they heard explosions...You clearly aren't an idiot but explosions doesn't means explosives.

http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm

There's an example of how alleged quotes have been taken out of context or in some cases completely altered to make it seems as if the witnesses are suggesting it was controlled demolition

For example, I wrote a large part in the 9/11 thread on several reasons for reports of explosions from the WTC. One of which was the fact that the WTC had many electrical transformers which, when damaged by fire or other means can produce huge explosions. There was also the fact that several years before 9/11 one of those electrical transformers actually DID explode in the WTC and killed several people in the process.
To be honest here is where i heard those alleged eyewitness reports http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=158 . There are always two sides to every coin and you make very good points. But when someone says there were no reports of explosions when there clearly were, it makes me wonder. As well as many other things. Including the building being one of the biggest sources for government intelligence and documents in America. And from what i understand not one government agent was in the building at the time.


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To be honest here is where i heard those alleged eyewitness reports http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=158 . There are always two sides to every coin and you make very good points. But when someone says there were no reports of explosions when there clearly were, it makes me wonder. As well as many other things. Including the building being one of the biggest sources for government intelligence and documents in America. And from what i understand not one government agent was in the building at the time.


The report doesn't say there were no explosions. It says that the minimum amount of explosives needed would've caused a sound of the type that wasn't heard. Even I'm not saying there were no explosions...But as I already said...Explosions do not equal explosives.

Here's the best example of why the entire conspiracy idea that the WTC was an inside job is a complete farce

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_p2.html


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The report doesn't say there were no explosions. It says that the minimum amount of explosives needed would've caused a sound of the type that wasn't heard. Even I'm not saying there were no explosions...But as I already said...Explosions do not equal explosives.

Here's the best example of why the entire conspiracy idea that the WTC was an inside job is a complete farce

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_p2.html
I don't belive everything the conspiracy theories say and i don't belive what the government says. That website you linked only argument is that people had to be paid off and they would have talked by now. Well i say that all they needed were a few good men because i believe that all the flights crashed. I do know they had prior knowledge to terrorism attacks when they said they didn't. Also the insider trading before attacks are quite unusual http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html.


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So then you don't believe there were any explosives and your entire argument was pointless?


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So then you don't believe there were any explosives and your entire argument was pointless?
Na i never said that, i beileve that there were explosions. I don't buy that the building came down due to raging fires and the sprinklers not turning on. Unless the building was very poorly built. I only commented on the fact that in the video that was linked by jaden http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/...wtc_videos.html mentions how no report of a loud explosion was heard by eyewitness's. He should at least mention that there were reports of explosions. That was my only argument on the case of Building 7. The rest of my cases are coinsidences that seem just too coinsidental. But no i really don't buy that it fell because of fire. You guys have seen the video footage and it seems like a few floors had raging fires. THis is a raging fire http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/w.../10beijing.html


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Na i never said that, i beileve that there were explosions. I don't buy that the building came down due to raging fires and the sprinklers not turning on. Unless the building was very poorly built. I only commented on the fact that in the video that was linked by jaden http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/...wtc_videos.html mentions how no report of a loud explosion was heard by eyewitness's. He should at least mention that there were reports of explosions. That was my only argument on the case of Building 7. The rest of my cases are coinsidences that seem just too coinsidental. But no i really don't buy that it fell because of fire. You guys have seen the video footage and it seems like a few floors had raging fires. THis is a raging fire http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/w.../10beijing.html


Clearly someone else who puts videos over documented evidence.

Take some time...Read the report. Until you've done so you can't really make any valid comments attacking the report.

Although this is the huge irony of it. The vast majority of the conspiracy theorists that frequent this forum (and I assume most of the other conspiracy specific forums) haven't even read the documents they try and attack...Instead they just make daft statements like the one you made until they are shown to be wrong and then through sheer stuborness continue the same disproven argument.


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Wrong. Lizard people and Elvis Presley killed MJ.


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Elvis is a lizard-man, if you play his music backwards, it's actually secret lizard-code, God only knows what he was communicating. Couldn't have been good.


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I can't believe anyone still thinks there ever was an Michael Jackson. Where's the evidence people?


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Also the insider trading before attacks are quite unusual [url]

whats also very unusual,is that in the days before the kennedy assassination,there was insider trading going on back then as well for many of the companys that were going to be involved in the war with their equipment.of course the coincidence theorists everywhere always just chuck it up to being just that.a coincidence.


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I don't know what's more retarded. Thinking that an imaginary group of powerbrokers plotted the death of an over the hill entertainer who has been irrelevant for 20 years and who possesses a myriad psychiatric problems...or Deano's take on the freemasons.


ha your an idiot. michael will always be relevant.

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ha your an idiot. michael will always be relevant.


Not so much of an idiot to know that "your" isn't the same as "you're".


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