You said he wasn't defeated in combat. He clearly was here. Now, you're changing it to never been killed or something. This is a defeat a loss in combat.
So, Thor knocking him to his knees, and the, while Mangog is still conscious and moving, getting him off the battlefield and then immediately running off, is a combat defeat and not a BFR?
OK.
If that is the general consensus of the forum, that's ok with me.
Then it means that Mangog has been beaten in combat 1 time, but has defeated Thor even more times than previously thought.
There is a difference between basing a ranking on the feats in one story arc of a character, and basing a ranking on the feats all story arcs of a character, combined.
Come on.
Against characters like Tyrant, he would be unstoppable.
Tyrant would help to keep Mangog's power at it's peak and beyond. (please log in to view the image)
But this says Classic Mangog. Later Mangog seemed to be kind of weaker.
This is a tough one, because Tyrant won't have the sort of magic that was required to defuse Mangog. They are both extremely durable and powerful, above even the likes of cosmic heavyweights like Thanos, somewhere around Odin level but below Galactus (though Tyrant has a win against Galactus so that may be arguable). They are probably both effectively immortal.
I can see these two beating on each other for a long, long, long time.
It was a clear victory despite you acting as if it wasn't. Mangog was defeated though and bfr is a legit win. Tyrant has the power to take it to Galactus Mangog has never been this powerful.
Yes, and when discussing a character and one arc it's disingenuous to just count WW Hulk and forget every other Hulk showing then and say he's never been defeated by a character. Come on.
Horrificus also believe Mangog has defeated Odin and all of Asgard with utter ease and without a mark on him... yet none of us ever remember this happening. Mangog has ZERO chance to beat Tyrant. This fight would look like Thanos vs. Tyrant.
There are some scans that I will use to fill in blanks, but for now, I will start with the first Mangog story. I will focus on Mangog's journey from outside of Asgard, to the very heart of the city.
Mangog reaches the very outer edge of Asgard, confronted by Giants.
Then, the first Asgardian Outpost, on his way to the city: (please log in to view the image)
Down Goes the outpost: (please log in to view the image)
Then he wiped out a legion of Asgardian warriors with one blow as he keeps walking. Thor is trying to catch up before he gets to the Twilight Sword: (please log in to view the image)
Armies destroyed as Mangog keeps marching: (please log in to view the image)
As Mangog gets closer, the Elite Guards shows up, beaten badly: (please log in to view the image)
Just one panel of many where Asgardians want to evacuate as Mangog cannot be stopped. And, one of MANY panels where you will see Thor getting up after receiving a WHOOPIN': (please log in to view the image)
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Mangog finally comes upon the city itself: (please log in to view the image)
Mangog bursts into the inner city: (please log in to view the image)
The Asgardian army tries again, one last time: (please log in to view the image)
After using the most powerful weapon in the Asgardian military, Asgard falls, and the final battle will be fought in the Royal Chamber: (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Mangog bursts in, his goal in sight. The Odin Sword: (please log in to view the image)
They all try to stop him, as he goes for the sword, including Thor. Mangog dishes out many spankings: (please log in to view the image)
Mangog effortlessly starts to draw the sword while Thor tries to stop him, TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE against Mangog, as I have said: (please log in to view the image)
All Odin can do, because Mangog cannot be defeated, is release the civilization that made up Mangog: (please log in to view the image)
Mangog was a living prison. (please log in to view the image)
Now, I have just listed the march of Mangog, unhindered, without injury, across Asgard. And, this is just the 1st story. During this story, he constantly kicks the crap out of Thor and soaks up EVERYTHING Asgard throws at him.
Also, through the whole story, statements are made that he cannot be
beaten, not even Odin can beat him and that Odin fears him.
Asgard was unable to defeat Mangog's race in combat. It is revealed in the storyline that they had "brought death to 1000 galaxies".
Sounds like a certain battle between Galactus and Tyrant. (please log in to view the image)
If you don't believe these statements, then read the comic. It's a good read and was written to make the Asgardians vulnerable for the first time. Mangog was created to be a power above the Asgardians for a reason.
It is seriously uncool to bs your way through a debate without proof to back yourselves up. It is very low to force your opponent to provide all the proof and do all the work, even though you can't back up your own statements.
Now, do I really need to start posting Thor's beatings, or the number of times it is stated that Odin cannot defeat Mangog?
There are 2 more story arcs involving Mangog messing up Asgard, where Odin is actually involved.
But, I warn you, all that ever works against Mangog, all Odin is ever able to do, is mess with the spell. And, on one of those occasions, Odin dies doing it, AFTER he is amp'd by outside power Thor had to bring to him.
If you don't like it, I'm sorry. Go back in time and kill the writers.
Yeah. Thanks guys. And, to be honest, those scans are just the tip of the ice berg.
Through the entire first 3 Mangog stories, he is written as an absolute monster. Panel after panel of him PUNCHING Thor's hammer back it him, ignoring the hammer, destroying entire armies of Asgardians with a single blow, etc.
All kinds of other Asgardian Super Weapons are used, Kartag joins up with Thor and is easily beaten by Mangog. There are constant statements, speaking historically that Odin was unable to defeat Mangog in combat in the distant past, which is why he was trapped in the Odin cave, and how Odin fears Mangog.
In the first story, it seems like Mangog may have broken Thor's arm or something, during the several times Mangog beats him down. Also, it was stated that Mangog not only gets his power from hate and vengeance, but also from strikes against him. Like, anything negative can feed him.
As evil as he is, he would be potentially more powerful in fights against other evil, powerful characters.
This guy is "it" ladies and gentlemen. When he was created, it wasn't just as a "bad guy", or somebody who can conquer the universe. Mangog was created intentionally, to be "the scary monster" for Gods and Cosmic Beings.
You can also see the difference in writing as the years go by. The recent story where Thor eventually wins somehow, after being beaten down again and again, and HOW does he win?
Well, just because "he REALLY wants to win now"! And he's very upset! Um, ok. I guess he just never got that mad or upset in the past stories. Or, something.
It's typical of the crappy writing and lack of creativity that is in comics today.
The Marvel U NEEDS Mangog as he WAS. They have made the heroes so powerful all they do anymore, is go around bullying every opponent that pops up.
What fun is that?
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Feb 3rd, 2012 05:52 AM
Um, ok. I guess he just never got that mad or upset in the past stories. Or, something.
that would be epic!!!
