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darthgoober
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but at the speed you're talking about, you really think superman won't try to dodge it?

sorry. i meant it's only been cemented in recent years. there've been times when kryptonite shouldn't have worked when it did, so that was where there was a problem. with johns being head boy at dc though, i don't see it happening again.

i don't see surfer getting it from him anyways. stick out tongue

Has Supes ever dodged something that was moving at over 1,000 times lightspeed? Even if he has, how would he mount any kind of offense if he spent the whole time doing his best to stay the f*ck away from Surfer? It would just be a matter of time, eventually Surfer would always win even if he didn't throw Supes a curve and alter his tactics slightly...

Yeah but what makes you think that things like the Cosmic King were mistakes? The idea is that K-nite from X universe can't hurt Kryptonian from Y universe, it's never been said to my knowledge that a character from X universe can't create K-nite from Y universe.


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Has Supes ever dodged something that was moving at over 1,000 times lightspeed? Even if he has, how would he mount any kind of offense if he spent the whole time doing his best to stay the f*ck away from Surfer? It would just be a matter of time, eventually Surfer would always win even if he didn't throw Supes a curve and alter his tactics slightly...

Yeah but what makes you think that things like the Cosmic King were mistakes? The idea is that K-nite from X universe can't hurt Kryptonian from Y universe, it's never been said to my knowledge that a character from X universe can't create K-nite from Y universe.


and this is why i didn't want to get in to it. stick out tongue

it was pre johns.


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Has he done the board ramming thing on anyone with Superman level speed and reflexes?

Hard to say... has Supes ever dodged anything moving as fast as Surfer's board can move?


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and this is why i didn't want to get in to it. stick out tongue

it was pre johns.

Why... cause he hasn't stick out tongue .

Yeah but has John's ever said that it's impossible for characters to create K-nite from another universe, or just that K-nite from another universe won't affect Supes?


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Why... cause he hasn't stick out tongue .

Yeah but has John's ever said that it's impossible for characters to create K-nite from another universe, or just that K-nite from another universe won't affect Supes?


i honestly don't believe surfer can do that with his board. i know you don't agree, hence trouble.

it's the latter i think. i don't see any reason why if surfer knew the composition of kryptonite that he wouldn't be able to make it. it's the effectiveness that i'd argue about.

but i won't. stick out tongue


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Hard to say... has Supes ever dodged anything moving as fast as Surfer's board can move?

Nice dodge. No pun intended.


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i honestly don't believe surfer can do that with his board. i know you don't agree, hence trouble.

it's the latter i think. i don't see any reason why if surfer knew the composition of kryptonite that he wouldn't be able to make it. it's the effectiveness that i'd argue about.

but i won't. stick out tongue

What, charge his board with energy to use offensively? Of course he can...

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/...imited13-32.jpg
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Effectiveness how? Are you still talking about the alternate universe thing or about Supes resistance to the substance? Because he doesn't really have any resistance to Gold K-nite that I'm aware of...


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Nice dodge. No pun intended.

No dodge, it's really hard to say because it depends on how you view Supes's reflexes.

Whether or not Supes has ever dodged anything moving as quickly as Surfer's board is capable of though is pretty simple to answer...


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No dodge, it's really hard to say because it depends on how you view Supes's reflexes.

Whether or not Supes has ever dodged anything moving as quickly as Surfer's board is capable of though is pretty simple to answer...

I view them as significantly greater than Beta Ray Bill's.

I'm pretty sure he's dodged the Flash before.


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I view them as significantly greater than Beta Ray Bill's.

I'm pretty sure he's dodged the Flash before.

You're going to have to be a bit more specific. I mean for that to work as a comparison we'd have to establish what BRB's reflexes are...

Was Flash confirmed as moving at a speed comparible to that which I'm talking about for Surfer or was it just some unquanfied speed?


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What, charge his board with energy to use offensively? Of course he can...

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/...imited13-32.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/...imited13-33.jpg

Effectiveness how? Are you still talking about the alternate universe thing or about Supes resistance to the substance? Because he doesn't really have any resistance to Gold K-nite that I'm aware of...


more the speed than the energy. and yes, i'd seen that before. see?

though i do wonder if it can be charged with more exotic energies.

the alternate universe thing.

imo superman's reflexes are around lightspeed, if not slightly above or below it.


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more the speed than the energy. and yes, i'd seen that before. see?

though i do wonder if it can be charged with more exotic energies.

the alternate universe thing.

imo superman's reflexes are around lightspeed, if not slightly above or below it.

So you doubt his ability to go 1000x lightspeed... seriously?

Exotic? We're talking about light.

But as we've already established it's never been said that someone from an alternate universe can't create K-nite that won't work, just that K-nite from another universe can't work. That means that previous instances of characters creating K-nite that works on Supes are perfectly valid.


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So you doubt his ability to go 1000x lightspeed... seriously?

Exotic? We're talking about light.

But as we've already established it's never been said that someone from an alternate universe can't create K-nite that won't work, just that K-nite from another universe can't work. That means that previous instances of characters creating K-nite that works on Supes are perfectly valid.


I just wanted to say that Superman has crossed galactic distances in minutes.... more than a few times. That is a lot faster than 1000x speed of light.

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I just wanted to say that Superman has crossed galactic distances in minutes.... more than a few times. That is a lot faster than 1000x speed of light.


Scans of him traversing galaxies in minutes post-crisis?

Travel Speed =/= reaction speed.

Also, can't beat this feat:

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So you doubt his ability to go 1000x lightspeed... seriously?

Exotic? We're talking about light.

But as we've already established it's never been said that someone from an alternate universe can't create K-nite that won't work, just that K-nite from another universe can't work. That means that previous instances of characters creating K-nite that works on Supes are perfectly valid.


no.

it's not the power cosmic, though. unless it is and i'm forgetting something?

and?


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Red Sun's been rectonned, it now shuts off Supes's powers completely rather than just weaken him. Every cell Surfer's board comes into contact with will become effectively "human" so it's pretty much a guaranteed decapitation...
No it hasn't been. Otherwise Superman would have been dead going through a red sun.

The board can't move very fast in the beginning of Superman's time.
Superman could simply pop Surfer and combo him to ko before the board even gets to Superman.

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Shit, i'd forgotten about Infinite Crisis...


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No it hasn't been. Otherwise Superman would have been dead going through a red sun.

The board can't move very fast in the beginning of Superman's time.
Superman could simply pop Surfer and combo him to ko before the board even gets to Superman.

Except that Surfer's reaction time is as good as Supes'. And if the board will be "slow", so will superman's charge.


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Surfer dominates. This is one of Superman's biggest matchup nightmares ever created on his level.


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