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the ninjak
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Originally posted by Bentley
I do think Pym would get more attention if he wasn't blond, I guess it would more justified if he was from eastern Europe like his wife. Nothing against the blonds, it just makes him less distinguishable as a character among the Avengers, and character-wise that IS a weakness.

For me that "generic blondness" is actually the only weak thing about the character, pretty adult -he was married twice!-, pretty haunted, pretty confident and with strong character.


Wow. I just lost all respect in you personally. You must be insanely inadequate to resort this remark. Kinda pathetic.

Just for shits. How would you like to perceive Pym physically in order to gain your complete respect?

Mousey brown hair? Would that make you feel more comfortable?


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Geez thats a bit of an overreaction. He is right that theres a fair few blond on the Avengers. Cap, Thor, Sentry, Pym himself etc.


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Wow. I just lost all respect in you personally. You must be insanely inadequate to resort this remark. Kinda pathetic.

Just for shits. How would you like to perceive Pym physically in order to gain your complete respect?

Mousey brown hair? Would that make you feel more comfortable?


Green and with antenae would be perfect, personally, like bug. Or you know, maybe his genetic alteraction could show in any particular way or he could have a more definite facial mark like a bigger nose, or gigantic ears, or Doctor Sivana's face.

I suppose you're right in my poor definition, since my problem with Pym's design is not about him being blond, but instead the fact he has a "generic blond" look. Which in another context with less blond characters would be no problem at all, so it shouldn't be any intrinsic problem with the design, right?

The design isn't particularly strong for me when not wearing a costume, and considering he and Jan change costumes so often it would be optimal for him to have a more distinctive look.

I'll gladly twist the question around: do you think Pym's design is perfect?


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Hey it's early morning and I'm felling preachy. If too many blonds in the Avengers is a crime then so be it.

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Green and with antenae would be perfect, personally, like bug. Or you know, maybe his genetic alteraction could show in any particular way or he could have a more definite facial mark like a bigger nose, or gigantic ears, or Doctor Sivana's face.

I suppose you're right in my poor definition, since my problem with Pym's design is not about him being blond, but instead the fact he has a "generic blond" look. Which in another context with less blond characters would be no problem at all, so it shouldn't be any intrinsic problem with the design, right?

The design isn't particularly strong for me when not wearing a costume, and considering he and Jan change costumes so often it would be optimal for him to have a more distinctive look.

I'll gladly twist the question around: do you think Pym's design is perfect?


I liked the Wasp costume. Pym wasn't the fashionista Wanda was. He simply never even cared too much about the whole superhero vibe. He just wanted to be completely consumed in being a scientist. It was his downfall eventually when some Skrull spy disguising herself as a hot young student screwed him during an encounter whilst Pym dedicated himself to being a college prof.

I hate the Giantman costume. It sucks. And reeks of nostalgic weakness and represents his character degenerating into his old ways instead of the awesome Pym we saw during his Mighty Avengers arc.

Sorry about the early remark. I read it again and kinda agree. Too many blonds can be perceived as an Aryan ideal to a larger audience.


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Geez thats a bit of an overreaction. He is right that theres a fair few blond on the Avengers. Cap, Thor, Sentry, Pym himself etc.


Cap, Thor and Hawkeye just happen to be three of the most influential and important Avengers of all time. Then there is also Pym, just consider that all these characters have their place in any adaptation of the Avengers in any media because they are in the heart of the concept.


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Hey it's early morning and I'm felling preachy. If too many blonds in the Avengers is a crime then so be it.


There is absolutely nothing wrong about the Avengers being blond, but if it works against any of them its against Pym -and maybe Clint? They made his hair brown in the movie adaptation-. I'm not exactly sure if the racist deconstruction makes my argument any less true.


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I wrote more^

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I liked the Wasp costume. Pym wasn't the fashionista Wanda was. He simply never even cared too much about the whole superhero vibe. He just wanted to be completely consumed in being a scientist. It was his downfall eventually when some Skrull spy disguising herself as a hot young student screwed him during an encounter whilst Pym dedicated himself to being a college prof.

I hate the Giantman costume. It sucks. And reeks of nostalgic weakness and represents his character degenerating into his old ways instead of the awesome Pym we saw during his Mighty Avengers arc.

Sorry about the early remark. I read it again and kinda agree. Too many blonds can be perceived as an Aryan ideal to a larger audience.


I must admit seeing so many blonds in the comics I read as a kid did throw me off. Your point is valid. I apologise again.

I deal with alot of racism on the interwebs regularly and I guess this topic sent me into attack mode.


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I know what I said sounds awfully close to an inmoral/amoral race rant which I had to reread several times myself to see if I wasn't saying anything overly stupid. Because I can make easy mistakes like that, I try to be smart but mixing perceptions about fictional work and sort-of real life concerns can be tricky, mistakes can be made, I don't take it personally since it wasn't my intention. When you are as devoid of a racial sensibility as I am you can say stupid stuff. I do understand from where you come from.

About the design, the more I think about it, the more I ask myself if it's Pym's fault at all or if I'm the victim of too much Avengers imagery. Pym is an old character, I think he's at least older than Hawkeye, who I'm pretty sure was invented without the Avengers into mind. Marvel Thor is known for being blond instead of redhead as the mythological Thor, Captain America is even older than Pym and has that aryan vs aryan quality during WW2 that made for a very elegant symethry with his SSS and the superior race ideology. Given certain Avengers mythologies and stories I've come to accept that hair color kind of matters for Cap and Thor, not so much for Pym -of course, other characters such as T'challa are much more race oriented, but that goes without saying-.

So exactly how much of this race thing should place in the design of each character and roosters? Most Avengers were never meant to perform together in the same team, so they look as they are because of some random author choices. My argument was built from a certain visual idea, I just didn't feel that having that many blond hairs was very harmonic for the team when put together. Of course, is next to impossible to weight that against keeping a classic look for the characters in the team, so sadly there isn't much to do.


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The first episode... Was surprisingly enjoyable. Best part is while it's in continuity with Ult SM it has non of the stupidity of that show. Miss the EMH but Def gonna keep watching this.


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Gotta disagree. I got halfway through before skipping to the end. Awful.


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Show is already on its way of being shit. Why did they hire Man of Action again? They're pretty shit rewrites and most of there shows are either shit(ultimate spiderman) or turned from ok to shit(post alien force season 1). The only show that was good that they was Generator Rex and thank god they didn't dicide to milk it.


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A friend told me it was better than EMH but I highly doubted that but still haven't given it a looking at. I have a feeling my friend hyped it up beyond it's ability to deliver.


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Gotta disagree. I got halfway through before skipping to the end. Awful.
It's clearly not on the level of EMH but I don't see how it's awful. Elaborate please.


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